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Worst oil change experience ever

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2014+)' started by kamdogtundra, May 21, 2020.

  1. May 21, 2020 at 3:31 PM
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    Burdturger

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    I sell automotive tools for a living and can say this CTA wrench is by far the best option on the market. Do yourself a favor and get one of these and an aluminum OEM filter housing. I also have the fumoto valve but haven't installed it yet. Any Fumoto "F-103" style should work just purchase the configuration you think you will like the best. I went with the swivel version F103-sx

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  2. May 21, 2020 at 3:33 PM
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    Almost all Lexus vehicles have gone to the plastic housings and we all hate them. It doesn't take much for them to be over torqued and then they are a real pain to get off. The aluminum housings are much preferred.
     
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  3. May 21, 2020 at 3:35 PM
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    Hahaha! Nobody breaks out the torque wrench for an oil change. We had one guy at my old dealership who would always overtighten them. Everyone else was so pissed at him that when we saw he worked on the car last we made him come over and break it loose. He eventually learned his lesson.
     
  4. May 21, 2020 at 3:44 PM
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    Fortunately my 14 GS came with an aluminum one.

    My
    I bought a Frame filter and they use red orings. I used the o-ring that came with the Dorman filter so I'm wondering if that is the issue. We'll see tomorrow when I get new parts.
     
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  5. May 21, 2020 at 4:15 PM
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    Im sure I'll catch heat for this from someone, but I've never hit one with a torque wrench. My hands certainly aren't calibrated, but 15+ years working on shit like this for a profession and I've found hand tight plus snug with the wrench and a recheck after a few miles does the trick.



    Most likely crossed it, it'd just bind and never catch threads to guide its way out. They probably lined it by hand and wrenched it the rest of the way, no real good indicator that your angled when doing it this way, the wrench makes it hard to tell if its binding, unless its severe.
     
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  6. May 21, 2020 at 7:08 PM
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    Nope not crossed. I know from working on sons Camry that it is easy to do with plastic ones. Although I am sure with the plastic it would be difficult even at 50 ft lbs. I don't use a torque wrench on mine. I use the old cannister method. Hand tight and snug with wrench. Some people go OCD with the torque wrench. I use for critical stuff like suspension and lug nuts. To the OP. I bought a Dorman for the Camry and no problems.
     
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  7. May 21, 2020 at 7:49 PM
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    If you buy a Toyota filter, there's a picture on the box that shows how the o-ring should be positioned. I used to have that photo from the box, that it seems to have gotten lost.

    The o-ring has to be placed in the groove in the (filter cap) provided for that purpose. I did not find it intuitive even as an engineer, because the o-ring seals on the bore of the (oil filter bracket), and not on the step in the bore that the (filter cap) seats against. For that reason, it is unlikely that over-torque has caused the filter housing to leak. (Torqueing the filter cap to extreme torque levels has no effect on the efficiency of the o-ring seal.)

    I believe you'll be fine once you get the Toyota (aluminum filter cap), and torque the (aluminum filter cap) with a proper Toyota o-ring. BTW, Toyota provides the torque specification to insure that the (filter cap) is as tight as it needs to be to keep it from loosening up and falling off, but not any tighter than it needs to be. In fact, they provide a clip to prevent the housing from loosening up, but I tossed that pita.

    Edit: Terminology in () revised to be consistent with official Toyota SRM terminology.
     
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  8. May 21, 2020 at 8:07 PM
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    PLASTIC Tundra OEM oil filter cap and aluminum housing. What could possibly go wrong??
     
  9. May 21, 2020 at 8:45 PM
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    Lol yeah, Ive done the 1/4 turn method every time.

    Moving parts should be torqued for sure.
     
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    The stock plastic housing is no issue at all if you can keep the monkeys from tightening it like theirs lives depended on it. Just ridiculous these idiots can't use common sense or at least follow the manual when it comes to tightening the stock plastic filter housing. :frusty:
     
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  11. May 21, 2020 at 10:30 PM
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    I've seen this happen a hand full of times. A Mix of quick lubes near my shop has shown me 5 out of 5 aftermarket dorman oil filter adapters leak. Replacing the o rings or filters does not remedy the oil weeping. Replace the oil filter adapter/housing with either the aluminum or plastic. So long as the tech doesn't over torque it..
     
  12. May 22, 2020 at 3:11 PM
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    Would that tool work on my wife's 2012 Highlander Limited as well?
     
  13. May 22, 2020 at 3:15 PM
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    Am I the only one who wonders why the Toyota oil filters - without cases like oil filters used to all have - cost just as much as oil filters that have the plastic cases? Sounds like Toyota designed these to eke out some extra profit on the oil filters.
     
  14. May 22, 2020 at 5:38 PM
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    Plastic? All of mine were metal?
     
  15. May 22, 2020 at 5:40 PM
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    Toyota didn't create cartridge filters. They used to be the only filter type. Spin on filters didn't show up until the 50s
     
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  16. May 22, 2020 at 5:59 PM
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    I had a few 80's Mercedes Benzes and the all had filter elements.
    WTF was Toyota thinking using plastic for their filter housings? I'm glad my '07 has a spin on filter.
    It's also stupid they didn't have a filter access door on their @$%! skid plate. Even the lowly POS Chevy S10 Blazers had doors on theirs.
     
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  17. May 22, 2020 at 6:03 PM
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    The dorman ones are notorious for leaking. The oem aluminum one is superior, just remember you need to swap the center piece from your original oem one into the aluminum one.

    The dorman center piece is terrible. Don’t use it
     
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  18. May 22, 2020 at 8:54 PM
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    i have this tool and can vouch for it being pretty damn wonderful
     
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  19. May 23, 2020 at 6:08 AM
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    Late on the topic and have a question. I had stopped by a local dealership to order 2 aluminum filter housings, 1 for my Tundra and 1 for my 4Runner. The unenthusiastic parts rep said Toyota does not make aluminum oil filter housings and he can only get me the plastic housing(s). I am an OEM guy (maintenance items) and don’t want aftermarket. Does Toyota mfg/sell an aluminum housing and can someone forward a part number?

    Thanks in advance!
     
  20. May 23, 2020 at 6:17 AM
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    They do sell them, but not for those vehicles. You need the ones they use for other models. If you go to Roman's OEM thread he can point you in the right direction. I'm sure it's in there already, but it's a huge thread. https://www.tundras.com/threads/ultimate-oem-toyota-parts-thread.10707/ I would bet that you won't get much of a response until after the holiday though.
     
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    O ring on Dorman could be wrong on multiple fronts: material spec, durometer, and dimensions. Looking at picture it looks to be a bit larger than the oem one found in Toyota filter box.

    Also...one of the benefits to the plastic housing is if someone overtoruqes or cross threads it, it won't possibly damage housing.
     
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    Than’s for the link on the housing, greatly appreciated!
     
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    Amazon link below is the filter cap that can be retrofitted to Tundra by exchanging the short center tube for the long center tube that came in your original plastic housing:

    https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Toyota-15620-31060-Filter-Assembly/dp/B008BHP68A/ref=sr_1_5?crid=2R49GG9L990X7&dchild=1&keywords=toyota+filter+housing&qid=1590248788&sprefix=toyota+filter%2Caps%2C230&sr=8-5

    It's also available through @Roman, or your local Toyota dealer. Just ask for PN 15620-31060. This aluminum cap should also fit any late model Toyota or Lexus 2.5L4, 2.7L4, 3.5LV6 if it has the plastic filter cap (PN 15620-36020). Confirmation of proper center tube length or exchange to the existing center tube may still be necessary.
     
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    I’ve got an aluminum cap and Fumoto valve ready to go when I change my Tundra oil next. My Lexus has the aluminum cap already, and I just put the Fumoto valve on too.
     
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    I really need to check these Amazon prices, on the real... stealership still talking about $25 for an oil filter??? wtf, but my dumbass always goes, but not no more.. Either way I bought those SST tools from Toyota and the first one which was the equivalent of a skull cap was a bitch to take off once removed or installed... Upgraded to the next one sold which is much better and convenient and sort of protects the filter assembly...
     
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    Try Toyota of Cool Springs - last I checked an OEM filter was like $3-$4. Walmart has them for $7.
     
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    I feel your pain, I did my first oil change with a hammer and punch after the plastic housing broke. Luckily I had planned to replace it and
    already had the Toyota metal housing on hand. People who tighten them this much have no business doing a simple oil change.IMAG0273.jpg
     
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    Once its tight, I give it just a little extra tug, cuz its annoying to have the metal cover at the bottom come undone with the whole filter unit...
     
  30. May 25, 2020 at 8:36 AM
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    Okay folks, I was busy this weekend but just had time to put in the new OEM filter housing cap and filter. I took a few pictures of the different filter housings and part numbers just in case anyone needs them.

    I'll drive around for a few days and report back if this has solved my oil weeping issues.

    New OEM filter housing cap and filter

    Old plastic/broken filter housing on the left, Dorman in the middle and OEM Aluminum on the right (surprisingly, the aluminum filter was cheaper than the plastic filter housing by about 7 bucks). I noticed that the quality of the Doramn cast was not great and looked really cheap compared to the OEM but that was expected.
     
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