Why no roll cages?

Really? Your videos on John Bull look fairly technical to me. I've seen harder stuff, but I have also seen videos of people rolling on that trail and much "easier" trails. Of course, I guess that your superior driver skills and uncanny ability to maneuver around any possible unknown thing that might happen make you impervious to stuff like that. Shit happens to even the best drivers - stuff that is sometimes just out of your control.

As I hinted at in my first post - I knew the "good driving" thing would come up. I've heard it many times. Sure, it helps - a ton. But, accidents happen. Even you, who says that you guys never do any type of driving that applies to this and that you can think of exactly zero technical trails where that was even a remote possibility of rolling, then turns around and shows a video of you sort of coming close to a possible roll (granted, that wasn't that close yet in that video). But still - you can't predict everything - no matter how good you are. Boulders shift, mechanical parts fail, tires blow....shit happens.

A full blown race cage would be pretty uncomfortable, I agree. But a well-designed cage for slower speed stuff isn't that horrible. The only thing I didn't like about mine was it was a little annoying having to un-harness to change tunes on the radio. So, I remedied that by moving the stereo controls closer.

 

HAHAHA Maybe guys like you need a cage because you dont know how to drive.

Yes, the videos of me on John Bull are very technical. But there was ZERO chance of rolling on those obstacles. If you can't understand that then you definitely don't know how to drive off road.

Yes, I agree accidents happen. But your safety equipment should reflect your risk exposure. Like I said before, I'm safer on the trail than I am on a freeway. Come wheel with me sometime and I'll show you

 

I don't think I will ever go wheeling with you. The cloud of arrogance surrounding you would make it too hard to breathe.

Even though you thought that there was "zero chance" of rolling, the fact is that you were willing to take your big ass Tundra up a trail like that in the first place. If you are on trails like that, there is a chance for bad stuff to happen - it doesn't matter how good you are. Like TJ pointed out before, nobody goes out in the morning with the intention of rolling their vehicle. I have wheeled plenty, and have seen enough instances of "shit happens" to know better.

 

Well if you're not willing to take "your big ass Tundra up a trail like that" then I'm not willing to wheel with you either

 

Hey I promise you guys, Alex is actually really nice in person.

 

I think we found the root cause of the flop. Hahaha.

 

Every one is nicer in person than they are online. I bet you anything @Atomic City Tundra is probably a cool dude and I bet you he would probably have fun wheeling the trails we wheel. He's just having an aneurysm because some guy online is making him feel like he wasted money building a cage

Yes thats what I am trying to say. If someone feels they need a cage, then they need a cage. But not every one needs one. You have to weight the pros and cons and decide for yourself.

 

You are wrong. I'm pretty much an asshole. I didn't waste money on that cage for the Bronco. I never used it, but the guy that bought it did soon after he got it during an oh shit moment. Held up brilliantly.

And I am sure that you are a pretty cool dude - as long as everyone is agreeing with you.

 

So no cage on your tundra?

 

Hell no. I don't "wheel" my Tundra - I do go offroading on forest roads and such, but no technical stuff. It's too big.

I was just curious why more people don't put one in their rig. I see plenty of videos lately of Tundras tackling technical terrain.

 

ohhhh you go off road but you don't run a cage... hmmm what if you hit a tree or something??? If you are on trails like that, there is a chance for bad stuff to happen - it doesn't matter how good you are. Like TJ pointed out before, nobody goes out in the morning with the intention of rolling their vehicle.

 

Alex is disagreeable in person too. But he’s nicer about it. Hahaha.

 

Fair enough. Point taken. But, just like in everything else, as you up the technical difficulty of something, the risk goes up.

 

keith? we've never really wheeled with him other than in Sedona..

yeah that cage would've only acted as a damage multiplier

also dont forget the could of flatulence... all that filipino food, man.. whew...

 

Most people are nicer in person. Something about the net and not actually being able to see the person.

 

Wow what the hell did I miss...

And I didn’t start it this time!

 

Exactly^^^^^

 

It’s clear we’re all willing to take the risk of wheeling our Tundras without a cage in various terrain and speeds. So what are we really talking about?
Yes a cage is always a good idea for when shit happens but at what cost? I’m personally not willing to spend the money.

 

So why would I need one on the trail if Toyota didn't think we need one on the street? We have no one running red lights, no jay walkers, no stop signs, lower speeds, and less distractions. Seems the Tundra crash ratings are acceptable and should be the same on the trail. Wear your seat belt, don't drive like a complete idiot and when shit happens the truck should protect you as well as a rollover on the hwy at 80mph. Have seen more rollovers on the hwy than i have on the trail and most are at higher speeds. I did flop my jeep in a wash once,the kids thought it was great and asked why we don't always wheel that hard. lol

 

Because the Engineers at Toyota didn't design the Tundra to go up technical trails. And although they do have roof strength tests - I don't think they are worth much as they are a static force test. There is no way you can shake out all possible failure mechanisms with a single static force test.

 

Come on down we will take ya for a fun ride

 

But they did design it for a Hwy speed rollover/crash - I don't see the difference.

 

It isn't designed for a highway speed rollover crash, IMO. They have safety features such as side curtain bags and such. They also have performed a static roof strength test as I mentioned earlier. But, just looking at the design of pretty much any vehicle, you could do a lot better in terms of crash safety. Like I mentioned before, if there were more elements from the racing world included, we could get somewhere in terms of crash safety. Yes, cars are much safer these days than they used to be, but they could be a lot safer, IMO. However, as was discussed earlier, this comes with a significant increase in cost, loss of comfort, and loss of aesthetics (although I think you could design it to look good as well). But I think the main thing is that it would make vehicles excessively expensive for most consumers.

I think that what I found out from this discussion is that most people don't put one in their Tundra because they don't think that they will need it. That is fine. I just see it done frequently in more crawler-type applications and was curious why more people don't do it here.

 

It's not that I don't think I need it - yeah it would make the truck safer for me but the inconvenience out weight the extra safety. Having to wear a helmet to keep from knocking my head against it is the biggest reason for me - plus 99.9% of Tundra owners daily drive their truck.
There are at least 1-2 hwy rollover crashed a week where I live and none of those have roll cages.

 

here is my advise


DRIVE FAST ... TAKE CHANCES