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  1. Oct 2, 2018 at 12:03 PM
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    Which part? Where’s @dragos28 with a pic of his 2wd upside down? I could easily see myself ending up on my lid. Much as I like to imagine myself a good driver, shit happens.

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    That’s the truth!
     
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    God no... please make it stop
     
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    I'm not posting any more pics of my rolled tundra. It never happened
     
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    I like your style. Here's my 250sx with mu daughter posing after we did some snow riding

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    I know your joking, but at this point, why not just do a tube chassis and be done with it...



    Amen. Colorado has XJs and Toyota’s with creations that would make the Pope drop an F Bomb.
     
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    ^^^ that's why LOL
     
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    i've never seen anything like that...
     
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    True. It usually looks like a seven year old did it.
     
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    The Dirty T ( ^_^)_且
    Oh, I just might be able to find one. :cool:
     
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    Um.... NO!!!!

    There is no racing association on this planet that would want you to run an oxygen tank in a race car. That's a pressurized system and that is a BOMB. Oxygen is flammable. The only kind of pressurized cylinders allowed in racecars is nitrogen and that's for the impact gun.

    There is a system called a Parker Pumper. It's filtered fan that blows clean air into the drivers helmets.
     
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    Anyways....


    Why no cage? If you want it done right, it will cost you a LOT. I'm not talking about the store bought bolt together cage that's mild steel with a seem. I'm talking about a properly fabricated cage where the interior of the truck is stripped and it's caged bumper to bumper with DOM 4130 chromoly.

    This is a roll cage kit built by Solo Motorsports for a Ford Bronco. 1.75" DOM tubing.
    [​IMG]

    Sell's for $2500. And that's if you weld it yourself. For them to weld it, is another $500. Notice the tie in points to the frame. 8 points of connection to the frame, it doesn't penetrate the firewall either. It's just the cab. And there's still no triangulation aside from the roof bars. Nice for a prerunner or chase truck, but not enough to race with. Plus, you still have to gut the inside of your truck to weld it.

    If you're going to cage your truck, you're going to do it right the first time. If you're going to do it right the first time, you're going to spend a lot of money. If you're not going to do it right the first time, it's going to cost you a lot of money to have it done right the second time.

    But if you're really considering caging your daily driver, consider getting a offroad vehicle for the purpose alone. Rock crawler, or a 4 seat prerunner. Even factory UTVs don't have a rollcage. They have a "roof support system". A fabricated bolt on rollcage will cost you up to $3000. https://utvactionmag.com/utv-roll-cage-buyers-guide/

    Offroading isn't cheap.


    Here is the build thread of a prerunner currently being built that started off as proper trophy truck. https://www.race-dezert.com/forum/threads/something-new-2-2.128046/
     
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    Cause nobody wants to smash their head against the tubing. And if I wanted to wear a helmet for my drive to work it would be on a motorcycle. Lol
     
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    All really good discussion. Like I said before, high speed and low speed are different animals. And yes, cages are a little expensive if you use good materials. The cage I put in my Bronco crawler was around $1500, but I did a of the fab work and welding myself. But, for low speed applications, it was fine. I even had a fairly simple finite element model that I built of the cage attached to a crude model of my Bronco that I put through a couple of simulations. I hadn't tied it to the frame before I sold the truck, but had plans to. But, $1500 to $3000 is not much when you consider what it is you are trying to protect. Especially when you have builds in excess of $30K.

    So, I agree - if you are going to do it, then do it right. And if your building your truck for speed, then doing it "right" would be an extreme amount of money, and would involve a lot of design and fab work. I guess I was just thinking more along the lines of the rock crawling vids I have seen lately on this site. Vids of large, lumbering, beastly Tundras tackling some technical terrain and slow speeds. It would still be a pain in the butt, but it wouldn't be "that horrible" to put in a basic roll protection system in the cab. Gut the cab, cover important stuff, get your tube bender and notcher, light the welder up, and go to town.
     
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    Typical Toyota... but think about how much harder it would be to fit a tundra in to spots with an exo...

    Pretty much. The guy I bought my first 4runner from had an exo on he crawler... seen a couple others on 4runners and pick ups

    They are around for sure. Normally though when someone goes that far on an exo, they don’t drive it on the street anymore
     
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Maclean MC-858 Car Holder for Mobile Phone Smartphone Cockpit Magnetic 360 Degree Adjustment
$17.60
Tri-Color Front Grill Badge Emblem for Tacoma 4 Runner Tundra Sequoia Rav4 Highlander（White/Gray/Black
$18.98
ORACAL 970RA Series Dual Cast Wrap Film in Gloss Metallic Night Blue 196-1ft x 5ft Thick Car Vinyl Roll with Air Release Adhesives for Vehicles
$23.46
Sherman FloTool 11849MI Dispos-Oil Recycle Jug
$23.95
Lockdown Gun Concealment Magnet with Easy Mounting, Heavy Duty Construction and Wide-Ranging Compatibility for Gun Concealment, Firearm Security and Pistol Storage
$23.49
TEKTON 17 x 19 mm Long Flex Ratcheting Box End Wrench | WRN77113
$22.40
BarksBar Original Pet Seat Cover for Cars - Black, WaterProof & Hammock Convertible (Standard, Black)
$23.95
Streamlight 66118 Stylus Pro 100-Lumen Penlight with 2 AAA Alkaline Batteries, Black
$21.59
C.T.Johnson (RH5-XL 5/8" Hitch Lock
$22.28
Angveirt Ultrasonic Rodent Repellent Under Hood Battery Operated Pest Repeller Humane Mouse Repellent for Car Engines Basement Garage Attic Rat Mice Deterrent 1 Pack
$21.99
CravenSpeed Stubby Jr Antenna Compatible with Toyota Tundra 1999-2021 | 2"es | Short Antenna Replacement | Made in The USA
$20.00
ColorLugs Vinyl Lug Nut Cover | Black | Flexible Fit Wheel Lug Nut Cap | Fits 21-23 mm | Pack of 20 | Includes Deluxe Extractor | Made in The USA
$23.99
Posi-tap Connectors, 20-22 Gauge Wire, Bulk Pack of 20
$23.00
Toyota Genuine Fluid 00295-00103 Formed-in-Place Oil Pan Gasket - 3 oz. Tube
$20.44
JianYia Super Hero Cake Decorations, Home Decoration. Titan Hero Sculpture Worth Collecting (24 Pieces)
$20.50
Stant Regular Keyed Alike Fuel Cap, black
$22.17
Boulder Tools Tire Repair Kit - Comprehensive Tire Repair Tools Set with Plugs, Valve Tool, and Heavy Duty Case - Flat Tire Repair Kit for Cars, Trucks, Motorcycles, ATVs for Quick Emergency Fixes
$23.74
Rust Kutter - Stops Rust and Converts Rust Spots to Leave A Primed Surface Ready to Paint, Professional Rust Repair Manufactured in USA – Sprayer Included
$22.99
SimpleUSB 12V to MicroUSB Two-Prong Universal Dashcam Adapter
$23.99
Guide to Southern California Backroads & 4-Wheel Drive Trails
$20.00
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