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Why a Tundra over an F150?

Discussion in 'General Tundra Discussion' started by Mark843, Mar 8, 2018.

  1. Mar 9, 2018 at 4:00 PM
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    mudslinger79

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    All the tech in these cars is dumbing down the driver. Just my personal opinion.
     
  2. Mar 9, 2018 at 4:27 PM
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    ninjajay Posting from the toilet

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    Simplicity and low tech is good for a pleasure vehicle, but I'm all for technology on a daily driver.
     
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  3. Mar 9, 2018 at 4:52 PM
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    I had a new 13 Ford xlt and had so many issues with it. 3 batteries in 3 years, door keypad failed, wiper switch failed, ignition switch failed, seat passenger air bag sensor failed, brakes would grind when in reverse and stopping....the list goes on. I have never wanted a vehicle out of my possession as bad as that truck. They can keep there Mexico made parts...I’ll never own another one.
     
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  4. Mar 9, 2018 at 5:20 PM
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    I'm with ya' brother! Tech is great but the more it's incorporated into vehicles the more basic driving skills suffer. I cut my teeth on old stick shift trucks, one was a column shift, high beam switches on the floor, no power steering, crank windows and push button radios. Most people today would be screwed. If you really want to see tech, drive a Tesla, everthing else will be a total disappointment.
     
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  6. Mar 9, 2018 at 5:36 PM
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    BTBAKER

    BTBAKER HAS ANYONE SEEN MY BASEBALL?

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    My last Ford was around 1998 or so. I was young and bought a Ford Ranger. Total POS.
    It had a vibration that they never could fix. They said it was the drive shaft. Changed it a couple times. Never got better. It was also right at the time of that whole tire fiasco.
    I drove it to a dealership and tossed them the keys and told them to keep it. After quite a bit of BS for 6 months Ford took it back and erased my loan.
    That was my last American vehicle.
     
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  7. Mar 9, 2018 at 8:00 PM
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    Then there is this.....


    "The Toyota pickup should have no place on the modern battlefield. It’s seemingly the very opposite of a modern vehicle of war. It’s unarmored, unarmed in its original format, inexpensive and didn't originate from some billion-dollar development program run by Lockheed Martin.

    And yet for those very reasons, the Toyota thrives on battlefields in poor countries. The civilian truck has struck an ideal balance between convenience, economic reality and the demands of local terrain."

    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/th...e-war-chariot-of-the-third-world-ea4a121e948b
     
  8. Mar 11, 2018 at 10:24 AM
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    Mark843

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    Thanks I think I found a Tundra configured the way I like it. It looks like it has 170 miles from the dealership website so possibly more then that.

    How many miles would you consider too many on a new vehicle?
     
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  9. Mar 11, 2018 at 10:33 AM
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    BTBAKER

    BTBAKER HAS ANYONE SEEN MY BASEBALL?

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    To me that is to many. How did they get on the vehicle? I can’t imagine that many people test drive it.
     
  10. Mar 11, 2018 at 10:33 AM
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    BuckWallace

    BuckWallace Ball don't lie.

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    Good question... 170 would be way too many for me, or else I'd be asking for some heavier discounts. Honestly, I'd be uncomfortable with anything above 20 miles :D. Mine had 1 mile on it and the only test drive was done by me.
     
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  11. Mar 11, 2018 at 10:35 AM
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    BuckWallace

    BuckWallace Ball don't lie.

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    Probably was a dealer trade where the sale ended up falling through, but it could possibly be from test drives. Sometimes dealers will try to do most of the test drives on one vehicle when they can help it.
     
  12. Mar 11, 2018 at 10:48 AM
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    Well then they have a low mile USED vehicle to sell.
     
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  13. Mar 11, 2018 at 10:51 AM
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    15whtrd

    15whtrd Tundra fanboy/lover....dryhumper...

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    Get a good discount and platinum warranty thrown in.
     
  14. Mar 12, 2018 at 8:45 AM
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    Vector W8 Old guy with a lot of expensive habits.

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    Edited per your direction :p
     
  15. Mar 12, 2018 at 10:25 AM
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    Spitfire

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    My tailgate locks with the key...maybe part of a package? Paired with my cap which has a led done light = couple problems resolved
     
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  16. Mar 12, 2018 at 11:37 AM
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    smooosh

    smooosh This place costs me too much $

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    Its most likely repair costs. Aluminum is more expensive the steel.
     
  17. Mar 12, 2018 at 11:41 AM
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    smooosh

    smooosh This place costs me too much $

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    He means the tailgate locking with the key fob. Should be standard but its a $250 upgrade.
    The overhead bed light that is integrated with the third brake light only works if you have an open bed. If you have a cover on the bed you can not see. Most other trucks come with bed lights. Toyota its another $250 upgrade.
     
  18. Mar 12, 2018 at 11:49 AM
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    Upgrayedd

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    From what I understand the F150 was more expensive to insure prior to the aluminum body compared to a GM, Ram, or Toyota. Though I’m sure the aluminum body didn’t help.

    Same reason a Civic is more than a Corolla.
     
  19. Mar 12, 2018 at 12:08 PM
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    Was this available from toyota? Or have to go pop and lock?
     
  20. Mar 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM
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    smooosh

    smooosh This place costs me too much $

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    Not Toyota directly but from the dealer. It is actually installed by the distributor. It most likely is a pop n lock though with a big mark up.
     
  21. Mar 12, 2018 at 12:14 PM
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    This all depends. Often, dealers have to trade vehicles to provide the new buyer with what they want. That was the case with my new 2018, closest one they could find was in Sacramento, at least a 3 hour drive away. Next one was in LA which was 8-9 hours away. I wouldn't worry about that mileage at all.

    Dan
     
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  22. Mar 12, 2018 at 12:29 PM
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    Mine had 110.. nearest one was 400 away that I wanted.. they drove it to a dealer they swap with and then flatbedded it up for me
     
  23. Mar 12, 2018 at 5:43 PM
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    We have a perspective Tundra that should have lower miles.

    Any tips on negotiating the price down? I was told they are giving me invoice pricing on the quote so not like I am starting at MSRP, like at another dealer I was at a few months ago.
     
  24. Mar 12, 2018 at 6:44 PM
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    Check out Truecar.com and price your truck on the site with your zip code. It will give you the average prices people paid for similarly equipped truck locally to you. Heck of a negotiating help....
     
  25. Mar 12, 2018 at 7:04 PM
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    What? It hasn’t blown up, melted down to a plastic ball of crap?

    Mind blown.

    I find it funny how forum members (brand loyal, obviously doesn’t matter which one) think their vehicle is the only one that will make it. Funny to read though.
     
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  26. Mar 12, 2018 at 7:36 PM
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    First I am taking the 0.9% apr instead of the $1250 cash back.

    After running the numbers through truecar it looks like the dealer offer is $725 below true car best price and $640 below market average. I don't think that will help me much.
     
  27. Mar 12, 2018 at 10:04 PM
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    I've been driving a Ford Bronco since I bought mine new in 1993. I really like the Bronco, it's been pretty much trouble free except for the transmission rebuild at 51,000 miles (out of warranty) and the other transmission rebuild at 190.000 miles (maybe understandable). I like the F-150 and I was planning on buying a new Ford F-150. Before I went shopping, I did a web search for "F150 Problems" and "Chevrolet 1500 Problems" along with "Tundra Problems". In short, the results of those searches showed a lot more problems and owner complaints for Fords, Chevy's and GM's than they did for Tundras and by a wide margin. I went with the Tundra.

    The biggest complaints about the Tundra included older technology (read proven reliability) and poor fuel economy (yeah, it's a truck with a V-8).

    The new tech comes with a lot of complaints - shifting problems with the new 8-10 speed tranny, engine problems with the AFM, electrical problems, etc. Even the fuel economy with the newer tech doesn't seem to be significantly better; the newer designs are a little more efficient but they're still subject to the laws of physics. My buddy has a new GMC with AFM and he gets about the same mileage as I do.

    As for the cam tower seal leak; if you read through one or more of the extensive threads on this forum, you'll see that a lot of the 'leaks' are nearly undetectable and a lot of people would never have even noticed the 'leak' if they hadn't gone out with a flashlight and a magnifying glass to search for it after reading about it. On the other hand, when the transmission fails you're done - no need for a light, a magnifying glass and internet photo guidance to search for a minor inconvenience. All you need then is a tow truck and about $2500 (and maybe a ride to work for a few days).
     
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  28. Mar 13, 2018 at 12:07 AM
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  29. Mar 13, 2018 at 12:21 AM
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    Because its a toyota and not a ford!i didnt read throught this post just statong the obvious is all....carry on
     
  30. Mar 13, 2018 at 6:28 AM
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    It is validation that the deal you have been offered is pretty good.
     

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