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Vibration/shudder while towing…

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by NATE4SURF, Jul 10, 2023.

  1. Jul 14, 2023 at 11:23 PM
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    PNW Tundra Mike

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    Excellent article covers it all. Thanks. But nowhere does it say a nose down trailer has a heavier tongue weight than the same trailer that is level. A tongue down trailer puts more load on the front axle of a tandem axle trailer.
     
  2. Jul 15, 2023 at 7:10 AM
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    The tongue weight may be a few pounds more if the nose of the trailer is down. Just look at a vertical line down between the axle(s). There would be a bit more trailer forward of this line and tongue weight would be a percentage of that increase. Pretty small number but it is greater. I am sure that my weigh-safe scale wouldn't be able to measure it.

    I am thinking about trying my Timbrem's again now that my rear suspension has greatly improved. Going to be heading all over the PNW in September with the trailer so it might be nice to have them propping up the rear. I have 2 different sets of rubber compounds so I will try the softer ones first.
     
  3. Jul 15, 2023 at 7:17 AM
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    From the article (sorry, it didn't copy highlighted like I said):

    "Conversely, a nose down trailer, i.e. the front of the trailer is lower to the ground than the back, can cause the rear of the vehicle to sag while lifting up the front. This reduces the traction of the front tires, which gives you less steering control."

    So if a nose down trailer makes the rear of the tow vehicle sag more....

    It's been a while, but I believe pivot points and levers (physics) you could get mathematical proof. You can always just adjust the camper/trailer level and see for yourself as a mini test.
     
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  4. Jul 15, 2023 at 7:24 AM
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    I would also like to point out that in this picture my tundra was pretty maxed out and level. In corners over 20 mph my traction control would activate quite often. Tundra's need a little rake to perform correctly. I even had overload springs installed in that picture.

    Kinda why I went to this setup.
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    Still have good rake and trailer was nose down about 1.5-2" for aerodynamics.

    We had a long trip that the wind was horrible and the trailer away was pretty bad (yes, we had a LDH with sway control) and in 5000 miles it wore out my tires.


    https://www.tundras.com/threads/tough-towing-this-go-around.15481/
     
  5. Jul 15, 2023 at 10:53 PM
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    Anyone have recommendations on air bags for the 3rd gen that they’ve installed?

    I’ve seen some with air compressors installed too.

    do you need a heavy duty compressor to inflate them after you load up?

    Cheers.

    today I did 4 hours and tried to throttle a bit slower and the vibrations were slightly less.

    I won’t be able to buy a new adjustable ball hitch until after the trip. I’ve got two long hauls left. Tomorrow Warrenton OR to Redding Ca, then Redding to Orange County, CA the next day.
     
  6. Jul 15, 2023 at 11:15 PM
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    You don't need a new hitch. You tow a tent trailer with a relatively low hitch weight. The angle of the trailer with that low of a hitch weight isn't going to be able to make a significant difference in the tow dynamics. Your truck is sagging from a combo of hitch weight, that canopy, and the amount of passengers and shit in your bed. You have a tent trailer, therefore you will always have shit in your bed because you can't store it in the trailer. How much shit you have there will change your ride height, therfore your ride height will always be different depending on your needs. You have two choices, you can either constantly change your hitch height at the hitch, which would be a major pain in the ass, or install bags and use air to make your ride height the same every time.

    Your trailer would be towing level if your truck wasn't so loaded up that it was sitting on the jounce bumpers. Suspension is the solution, not adjustments at the hitch.

    You don't need a heavy duty compressor. I've used a bike pump.

    I'm not sure if they make them for the 3rd gen, but Firestone Ride Rites are popular here.
     
  7. Aug 29, 2023 at 12:09 PM
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    I put some airbags on my truck to alleviate the squat you get even when the truck isn't overloaded. This is with 1300 lbs of pellets in the back. Ridiculous that you aren't overweight but yet the rear end has settled down that much but the airbags took care of that

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  8. Aug 29, 2023 at 6:11 PM
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    I’m having a similar issue with that shutter I did post about it but was referred here. Out of curiosity did it ever go away what did you do? Here (https://www.tundras.com/threads/shutter-while-towing-camper.129702/#post-3304957)is my post for reference just wondering if its the same thing Thanks all!
     
  9. Aug 29, 2023 at 9:14 PM
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    I’ve just purchased (4 weeks ago) a Tundra Capstone and I’m getting small vibrations unloaded but once I put weight in the bed, tow an empty car flatbed trailer or load the trailer (6000lbs) my seats are vibrating 1 to 2” back and forth violently. The water bottle in the cup holder looks like it’s in an earthquake.
    Dealers says trucks do that, then Toyota trucks do that, then just the Capstone (tow package factory installed). I’m now at Toyota field tech stage as it’s un-driveable for long distances as you face, arms and legs are shaking constantly…
    The panel spacing is appalling so wonder if the truck is sat Crocked.
     
  11. Sep 17, 2023 at 10:25 AM
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    Mine is pretty smooth towing or not. Only slight vibration is from the tires after sitting for week or so.
     
  12. Sep 21, 2023 at 7:19 AM
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    I have a 2020 tundra that tows fine
    My 2023 tundra limited 6.5 bed is getting vibrations when I hook up same trailer 5-6 k lbs it stops at high speed like 75/80 .. no air suspension..
    is your with air suspension and is it 6.5bed?
     
  13. Dec 1, 2023 at 7:59 AM
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    I have had a similar issue. I have a 2024, Tundra, 1794, TRD package with 6.5ft bed. I recently towed a 12ft, tandem, utility trailer with a Polaris 400 Sportsman ATV on it. I was in normal drive mode with tow haul on, with the adaptive cruise control on also. I was experiencing a shake of the steering wheel & seat, very similar to tires out of balance, but more extreme, at speeds between 55-60 mph. I tried switching off the tow haul & cruise control but that didn't help. I tried switching to sport & eco mode but that didn't help either. It did not seem to do it towing just the trailer but only with the ATV in the trailer. Truck did not shake at those speeds while not towing anything.
     
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  14. Dec 1, 2023 at 8:21 AM
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    I tried new hitch mine has gotten better . I think it might have to do with the 6.5 foot bed . I have heard other complain of the same problem and also have the 6.5 bed . I do see in the tundra Facebook groups that for others their trucks tow perfectly fine.
     

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