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Tundra A/T and M/T Tire Options - Lets hear your reviews

Discussion in 'Wheels & Tires' started by csuviper, Feb 18, 2014.

  1. Feb 18, 2014 at 4:14 PM
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    Some Mods :) See build thread for details
    I decided to create a thread to show the All Terrain and Mud Terrain tire options that are available.
    I will add some specs for comparison as I can.
    Please post the reviews of the tires that you have ran on your Trucks. List the truck they were on and the tire size with your review.


    Mud Terrain Tires
    Mud Terrain Tires - MUD TIRES or MT (Mud Terrain) are as you might have gathered from the name, designed to perform most specifically in the mud. But when you look at the tread design of many mud tires, they generally perform well in other conditions such as on the rocks, in deeper snow, as well as in loose gravel and in the softer, constantly changing terrain of wooded trails. This is because mud tires are usually designed from a softer compound with wider gaps (voids) between the lugs, which grab onto anything it can hook one of its lug edges around, especially when aired down. Tread designs typically are what make or break a mud tire and vary widely from manufacturer to manufacturer. Drawbacks of the MT Mud Terrain tire are they perform poorly on the highway especially in the rain where the wide lug pattern results in less of a tire footprint on the road. Even worse, the MT can be downright dangerous in icy conditions. Mud tires also tend to wear quicker than an all terrain or a street tire and depending on your perspective, the on-highway noise level can be considerably higher especially after they wear down with highway use.

    All Terrain Tires

    All Terrains - All Terrain tires or AT are a compromise. All Terrains are an attempt to offer good performance both on road as well as offroad. The ALL TERRAIN TREAD is intended to performs well under a variety of conditions found offroad while still offering acceptable on-highway performance. This is accomplished by using a tread pattern design where the lugs are tighter together than a more aggressive mud tire's tread. The result is usually a quieter ride on the street than a mud tire due to its lesser aggressive tread pattern. When compared to a street tire, All Terrain tires usually produce more noise. The payoff of an All Terrain Tire is that they performs well on a variety of terrains: rocks, sand, somewhat in the mud while still offering decent traction on the paved road. One drawback of an all terrain is that the tread design tends to pack with mud however some of the AT designs perform surprisingly well in muddy conditions. The AT All Terrain is typically the tire for the 4-wheeler who drives their 4x4 as a daily driver and will see minimal trail use and more on highway driving.

    TIRE OPTIONS:
    BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO

    BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2


    BFGoodrich Baja T/A

    BFGoodrich Commercial T/A

    BFGoodrich Krawler T/A KX

    BFGoodrich Long Trail T/A


    BFGoodrich Mud-Terrain T/A KM


    BFGoodrich Mud-Terrain T/A KM2

    BFGoodrich Rugged Terrain T/A


    BFGoodrich Rugged Trail T/A


    Bridgestone Dueler A/T D693 II


    Bridgestone Dueler A/T D695


    Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo 2


    Bridgestone Dueler A/T RH-S


    Cooper Discoverer A/T3

    Cooper Discoverer ATW


    Cooper Discoverer S/T


    Cooper Discoverer S/T MAXX - Link to member review


    Cooper Discoverer STT

    Cooper Discoverer STT PRO - Link to member review


    Cooper ZEON LTZ


    Dick Cepek Radial FC-II

    Dick Cepek Crusher


    Dick Cepek Extreme Country


    Dick Cepek Fun Country


    Dick Cepek Mud Country


    Dick Cepek Trail Country


    Dunlop Mud Rover


    Dunlop Radial Rover RVXT

    Falken Rocky Mountain ATS


    Falken Wildpeak A/T


    Federal Couragia A/T


    Federal Couragia M/T


    Fierce Attitude M/T

    Firestone Destination A/T


    Firestone Destination M/T


    General AmeriTrac TR

    General Grabber Extreme Traction

    General Grabber AT 2

    Goodyear Wrangler AT Adventure with Kevlar


    Goodyear Wrangler AT/S


    Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac


    Goodyear Wrangler MT/R


    Goodyear Wrangler MT/R with Kevlar


    Goodyear Wrangler Radial M/T


    Goodyear Wrangler SilentArmor

    Hankook Dynapro ATM


    Hankook Dynapro MT


    Hercules All Country A/T

    Hercules All Country M/T


    Hercules Digger M/T


    Hercules Terra Trac RS


    Hercules Trac AT2


    Hercules Trac DT


    Kelly Safari TSR


    Kelly Edge A/T


    Kumho Road Venture AT KL78


    Kumho Road Venture AT51


    Kumho Road Venture MT KL71


    Mastercraft Courser AT2


    Mastercraft Courser AXT


    Mastercraft Courser MXT


    Maxxis Creepy Crawler M8090


    Maxxis Bighorn MT-762


    Maxxis Buckshot Mudder 2 MT-764


    Maxxis Bravo Series AT-771


    Maxxis Bravo Series MA-751

    Maxxis Trepador Radial M8060


    Michelin LTX A/T 2


    Mickey Thompson Baja ATZ


    Mickey Thompson Baja Claw


    Mickey Thompson Baja Claw TTC


    Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ


    Mickey Thompson Baja MTZP3


    Mickey Thompson Baja STZ


    Mickey Thompson Deegan 38



    Nitto Dura Grappler



    Nitto Exo Grappler


    Nitto Mud Grappler


    Nitto Terra Grappler


    Nitto Terra Grappler G2


    Nitto Trail Grappler M/T


    Nitto Dune Grappler


    Pirelli Scorpion ATR

    Pitbull LT Radial Rocker

    Pro Comp A/T Sport


    Pro Comp Xterrain


    Pro Comp Xtreme AT


    Pro Comp Xtreme M/T2


    Pro Comp Xtreme Trax


    Toyo Open Country A/T


    Toyo Open Country A/T II


    Toyo Open Country M/T


    Toyo Open Country R/T


    Treadwright Claw


    Treadwright Guard Dog M/T


    Treadwright Warden A/T

    Treadwright Warden 2 A/T

    Yokohama Geolandar A/T-S - Link to member review


    Yokohama Geolandar M/T Plus





    LIST OF TIRE WEIGHTS:

    33"

    BFGoodrich Rugged Terrain T/A P285/70R17 45.75
    BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO LT285/70R17 56.02
    BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO LT285/70R17/D 57.35
    BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO LT285/70R17/E 59.0
    BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO LT305/65R17/E 62.48
    BFGoodrich Mud Terrain T/A KM2 LT285/70R17/8 59.0
    BFGoodrich Mud-Terrain T/A KM2 LT305/65R17/E 64.4
    Bridgestone Dueler A/T REVO 2 P285/70R17 48.0
    Continental CrossContact LX LT285/70R17 68.1
    Cooper Discoverer A/T3 LT285/70R17E 49
    Cooper Zeon LTZ LT285/70R17E 52
    Cooper Discoverer STT LT285/70R17D 58
    Cooper Discoverer ST LT285/70R17D 54
    Cooper Discoverer ST MAXX LT285/70R17E 60
    Cooper Discoverer STT LT295/70R17D 64
    Cooper Discoverer ST 33x12.50R17D 58
    Cooper Discoverer STT 33x12.50D 63
    Dick Cepek Radial FC II LT285/70R17D 55
    Dick Cepek Crusher LT285/70R17D 57
    Dick Cepek Crusher LT305/65R17E 62
    Dick Cepek Radial FC II 33x12.50R17D 58
    Dick Cepek Mud Country 33x12.50R17D 63
    Falken High Country A/T LT285/70R17D 61.4
    Falken Wildpeak A/T LT285/70R17D 61
    Falken Wildpeak A/T LT305/65R17E 64
    Falken Wildpeak A/T 33x12.50R17D 63
    Federal Couragia M/T LT285/70R17D 55.6
    Firestone Destination A/T 285/70R17 48
    General Grabber HTS LT285/70R17 68.1
    General Grabber AT2 33X12.50R17LT 58.0
    General Grabber A/T2 33x12.50R17C 60.3
    General Grabber 33X12.50R17/6 71.6
    Goodyear Wrangler Silent Armor P285/70R17 47.6
    Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac LT285/70R17 53.2
    Goodyear Wrangler SilentArmor LT285/70R17 54.83
    Hankook DynaPro ATm LT285/70R17/10 61.37
    Hankook DynaPro MT LT285/70R17/8 54.0
    Hankook DynaPro ATm LT295/70R17/10 62.2
    Hercules Trail Digger M/T LT285/70R17D 58
    Hercules Trail Digger M/T LT285/70R17E 59
    Hercules Trail Digger M/T 33x12.50R17D 57
    Interco Vortrac LT285/70R17E 63
    Interco SS-M16 LT295/70R17E 72
    Interco SSR 33x12.50R17E 72
    Interco Trxus M/T 33x12.50R17E 71
    Interco Trxus STS 33x12.50R17E 66
    Interco Vortrac 33x12.50R17E 63
    Kelly Safari ATR LT285/70R17/8 48.32
    Kumho Road Venture AT KL78 P285/70R17 45.2
    Kumho Road Venture SAT KL61 285/70R17 45.2
    Kumho Road Venture A/T KL78 LT285/70R17D 51.8
    Kumho Road Venture AT KL78 33X12.50R17/8 59.4
    Michelin LTX M/S2 LT285/70R17/D 57.74
    Michelin LTX A/T2 LT285/70R17/D 55.03
    Mickey Thompson Baja ATZ LT285/70R17D 55
    Mickey Thompson Baja ATZ Plus T285/70R17D 52
    Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ LT285/70R17D 58
    Mickey Thompson Baja ATZ LT305/65R17E 59
    Mickey Thompson Baja Claw TTC 305/65R17E 64
    Mickey Thompson Baja ATZ Plus 33x12.50R17D 55
    Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ 33x12.50R17D 63
    Nitto Terra Grappler P285/70R17 45.98
    Nitto Terra Grappler 285/70R17/10 54.01
    Nitto Dune Grappler LT285/70R17/10 47.4
    Nitto Dura Grappler LT285/70R17/10 52.6
    Nitto Terra Grappler LT295/70R17/8 55.2
    Nitto Trail Grappler M/T LT295/70R17E 71
    Nitto Mud Grappler 33X12.50R17/10 74.96
    Toyo Open Country H/T P285/70R17 44.6
    Toyo Open Country H/T LT285/70R17E 55.1
    Toyo Open Country A/T P285/70R17 44.1
    Toyo Open Country A/T LT285/70R17D 52.7
    Toyo Open Country A/T LT285/70R17E 53.1
    Toyo Open Country M/T LT295/70R17E 72.8
    Yokohama Geolander A/T S LT285/70R17D 56.2

    35"
    BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO LT315/70R17/D 64.64
    BFGoodrich Baja T/A 35x12.50R17/C 65.92
    BFGoodrich Mud-Terrain T/A KM2 35x12.50R17/D 67.31
    Bridgestone Dueler A/T REVO 2 LT315/70R17/10 61.0
    General Grabber HTS LT315/70R17 66.7
    General Grabber AT2 35X12.50R17LT 73.9
    Goodyear Wrangler MTR Kevlar LT315/70R17 69.6
    Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac LT315/70R17 60.0
    Hankook DynaPro ATm LT315/70R17/8 67.48
    Kumho Road Venture AT LT315/70R17/8 64.0
    Kumho Road Venture MT (KL71) LT315/70R17/8 71.8
    Kumho Road Venture AT 35X12.50R17/6 60.3
    Kumho Road Venture MT (KL71) 35X12.50R17/10 74.8
    Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ 35x12.5R17D 68
    Nitto Mud Grappler 35X12.50R17/10 81.7
    Nitto Terra Grappler 325/70R17 67.5
    Pro Comp Xtreme Mud Terrain 315/70R17D 68
    Toyo Open Country MT 35x12.5R17E 82.7
    Toyo Open Country AT 325/70R17D 76.5

    37"
    BFGoodrich Krawler T/A KX 37x12.50R17/C 84.0
    BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO 37x12.50R17/D 67.37
    BF Goodrich Mud Terrain T/A KM2 37X12.50R17/8 71.0



    COMPARISON INFO FOR ~35" tires:
    Tire Brand/Model Size Rating Max Load Max Infation Tread Depth Tire Weight Rim Width Range Meas. Rim Width Sect. Width Tread Width Overall Diam. Price

    BFGoodrich Mud-Terrain T/A KM2 35X12.5R17LT D 3000 lbs. 50 psi 20/32" 69 lbs. 8.5-11" 10" 12.5" - 34.8"
    Cooper DISCOVERER S/T 35X12.50R17LT D 3000 lbs. 50 psi 20/32" 68 lbs. 8.5-11" 10" 12.87" 10.2" 34.88"
    Cooper DISCOVERER STT 35X12.50R17LT E 3195 lbs. 65 psi 20.5/32" 68 lbs. 8.5-11" 10" 12.67" 9.8" 34.76"
    Dick Cepek Fun Country LT315/70R17 D 3195 lbs. 50 psi 18.5/32" 66 lbs. 8-11" 9.5" 12.8" 10" 34.6"
    Dick Cepek Radial F-C II 35X12.5R17LT D 3000 lbs. 50 psi 20/32" - 8.5-11" 10" 12.9" 10.2" 34.9"
    Dick Cepek Trail Country LT315/70R17 D 3195 lbs. 50 psi 16.5/32" 61 lbs. 8.5-10" 9.5" 12.6" 10" 34.3"
    Falken Rocky Mountain ATS LT315/70R17 D 3195 lbs. 50 psi 17/32" 78 lbs. 8.0-11" 9.5" 12.5" 9.6" 34.3"
    Falken Rocky Mountain ATS LT325/70R17 D 3195 lbs. 50 psi 17/32" 82 lbs. 8.5-11" 9.5" 13.1" 9.9" 34.8"
    Falken Rocky Mountain ATS 35X12.50R17LT D 3000 lbs. 50 psi 16/32" 74 lbs. 8.5-11" 10" 13.1" 9.6" 34.5"
    Fierce Attitude M/T 35x12.50R17 D 3000 lbs. 50 psi 19/32" 62 lbs. - - 12.5" 34.8"
    General Grabber AT 2 35X12.5R17LT D 3000 lbs. 50 psi 16/32" 67 lbs. 8.5-11" 10" 12.5" 10.2" 34.8"
    Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac LT315/70R17 D 3195 lbs. 50 psi 18/32" 60 lbs. 8.5-10" 9.5" 12.7" 34.4"
    Goodyear Wrangler MT/R with Kevlar LT315/70R17 D 3195 lbs. 50 psi 19/32" 67 lbs. 8.5-10" 9.5" 12.7" 10.4" 34.7"
    Hankook Dynapro ATM LT315/70R17 D 2910 lbs. 50 psi 16.5/32" - 8.5-10" 9.5" 12.4" 9.6" 34.4"
    Hankook Dynapro MT LT315/70R17 (35X12.50R17) D 2910 lbs. 50 psi 19.5/32" - 8.5-10" 9.5" 12.7" 9.7" 34.6"
    Kelly Safari TSR 315/70R17 D 3195 lbs. 50 psi 18/32" 62 lbs. - - 12.7" - 34.4"
    Mickey Thompson ATZ 35X12.50R17LT D 3000 lbs. 50 psi 20/32" 67 lbs. 8.5-11" 10" 12.9" 10.2" 34.9"
    Mickey Thompson ATZ LT315/70R17 D 3195 lbs. 50 psi 18.5/32" 65 lbs. 8.0-11" 9.5" 12.8" 10" 34.6"
    Mickey Thompson MTZ LT315/70R17 D 3195 lbs. 50 psi 19/32" 68 lbs. 8.5-10" 9.5" 11.9" 9.8" 34.6"
    Nitto Trail Grappler 35x12.50R17LT E 3195 lbs. 65 psi 21/32" 78 lbs. 8.5-11" 10" 13.19" - 34.84"
    Nitto Trail Grappler LT315/70R17 D 3195 lbs. 50 psi 20/32" - 8.0-11" 9.5" 13.27" - 34.61"
    Toyo Open Country A/T II 35X12.50R17LT E 3195 lbs. 65 psi 17.4/32" 70 lbs. 8.5-11" 11" 12.5" - 34.5"
    Toyo Open Country M/T 35X12.50R17LT E 3195 lbs. 65 psi 21/32" 83 lbs. 8.5-11" 10" 13.2" - 34.5"
    Treadwright Guard Dog M/T 315/70R17 3195 lbs. 50 psi 19/32" 70 lbs. 8.5-10" 8.5" 11.8" 10.3" 34.7"
    Yokohama Geolandar A/T-S LT315/70R17 D 3195 lbs. 50 psi 18/32" 63 lbs. 8.5-10" 9.5" 12.5" 9.8" 34.6"
    Yokohama Geolandar M/T Plus 35X12.5R17LT D 3000 lbs. 50 psi 17/32" 61 lbs. 8-11" 10" 12.8" 9.8" 34.6"
     
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  2. Feb 18, 2014 at 7:37 PM
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    Goodyear Duratracs 33" : great tires for my Taco. Very little road noise, and I only got stuck while snow bashing

    TOYO Open Country A/T 35": currently running. Noisier as expected, but they are wearing evenly and I haven't taken it wheeling :(
    Looks mean though :)
     
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  3. Feb 18, 2014 at 9:24 PM
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    Mickey Thompson MTZ 33" Taco: louder on the road than desired. Lasted ~35-40k miles before wearing bad and causing vibrations and noise. Would not recommend.

    Nitto Trail Grappler 33" Taco: Nice aggressive tires. Quieter than the MTZ. Heavier and noticeable in the manual taco. Even wear and would have lasted a long time. Replaced to jump up to 35s. Would recommend.

    Good year Duratrac 35" Taco: Best tire I have run. Little road noise. Even wear. Great on the roads in the snow. Didn't have them long before selling the Taco. Highly recommended.

    Nitto Terra Grappler 33" Tundra: quiet on the road. Even wear. Not as aggressive as I would like. Haven't had the Tundra long enough for full review.
     
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  4. Feb 18, 2014 at 10:32 PM
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    I was thinking about doing 34s after a 3 inch lift. I've got 20x9 with. 50 mill offset. Either that or staying with 33s and doing a 305 55r 20. Looking forward to the tire reviews here.
     
  5. Feb 18, 2014 at 10:41 PM
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    Def going 35s after 3" lift but would like to see more reviews to make my decision. The Treadwrights are looking good at only $159 each as opposed to ~double that for Duratracs.
     
  6. Feb 19, 2014 at 6:52 AM
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    I have 315/70/18 and had to do a good amount of chopping, and grinding on my 35"s...you should be able to clear 34"a on a 3" without much choppin.
     
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    Sometimes you get what you pay for :)

    Get some TOYOs on the 35"s..great aggressive look and are just a little noisier.
     
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    Right now I am between the following tires (bold are more preferred):

    Cooper Discoverer S/T
    Cooper Discoverer S/T MAXX
    Cooper Discoverer SST

    Dick Cepek Fun Country
    Dick Cepek Radial F-C II

    Fierce Attitude M/T
    Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac
    Kelly Safari TSR
    Mickey Thompson ATZ
    Toyo Open Country A/T II
    Toyo Open Country M/T
    Treadwright Guard Dog M/T
     
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  9. Feb 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM
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    Donahoe coilovers, Deaver 3 leaf AAL, 285/75/16 Cooper ST Maxx, OBA, custom bed rack, Skid Row skidplates,
    Here is almost three years worth of my ST Maxx thread on another forum. I have to say the Maxx is my favorite tire I've run on this truck

    4-13-2011

    Cooper Discoverer S/T Maxx


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    There they are, fresh off the truck. Coopers new S/T Maxx in a 285/75r16.
    First impression:
    They are huge! Well, compared to the 255s they look huge.....I'm sure they'll fit, snugly.
    They are heavy! 61 lbs each!

    I'm digging the tread pattern, the siping, and the ArmorTec sidewall (which the ST did not have)

    Measurements:
    Tread is about 9 1/4" wide (that's about 2" wider than the 255 ST)

    Total height is actually 32.5" and right now they are taller than my 255s by about an inch (but they have very little tread left)

    Tread depth is right a 19/32.

    I hope I like these as well as the original ST, which proved to be an excellent and true all terrain tire.....


    4-14-2011
    What road noise?! These are much quieter on the road than the original ST! I couldn't believe when I drove them for the first time today....super quiet, maybe on par with a BFG AT, or a Fun Country II (but really it's been so long since I've heard either on my truck the only thing I can truly compare it to is the 255/85 ST)

    These have a slightly higher pitch than the ST but the overall volume is less. I'm diggin'

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    5-17-2011
    Last Monday the wife and I got out to a picnic at Rapidan WMA. Followed along Blakey Ridge Rd (fun road) which gets variously rocky, muddy, narrow, deeply rutted etc.

    The new Coops did very well and I'm thinking better than the ST's (but 40,000 miles ago is hard to remember exactly).

    I couldn't air down any (air compressor is dead for some unknown reason) so the ride was rough, but there was not chunking or cutting that I can see.

    The gravel entrance road was nothing but the tires did not pick up and throw a lot of stones.

    The bit of mud we were in was done without any drama either. Treads clean with very little effort. There is a section that is slightly off-camber and had a huge washout rut down the middle. I was sure I'd slide sideways a bit (maybe into the rut) but there was no sliding at all.

    The rocky bits and wet rocks presented no issues either. No spinning, just climbing over and going.

    Except for a slight rub on the front flare, I'm digging these tires....

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    7-30-2011
    OK, so I had the Maxx's put on with 163,220 on the odometer. Today, I'm at 169,700. That's, hmm, let's see, 6480 miles. My depth gauge today read just a hair (hare?, rabbit?) over 17/32. The original tread depth (according to Coopers website) is 18.5/32 (my gauge read about 19/32). If I go conservative on cypherin' and call it 2/32 of wear (by my gauge)
    that becomes
    6840 / 2 = 3420 miles per 1/32 of wear.
    Extrapolating out to the legal wear limit of 3/32" (YMMV) that makes a possible 54720 miles.
    Pretty good in my book, and right in line with the original ST ( I was worried the new rubber compound would wear faster)
    .
    Caveat: These are nearly all road miles (with very limited rocks and dirt and about 200 miles of gravel) so certainly using them as intended may decrease your mileage. My summer certainly isn't going as planned (and hasn't been nearly as fun as it should have been)
    .



    Well, we got back from Cape Lookout 2 days before Irene landed. We were on the beach for 5 days and the ST Maxx's did very well in the sand.
    I wish I could compare the to the ST of the same size.
    My personal feeling is the 255/85 STs are slightly better than the 285/75 ST Maxx's.

    The reason: in real soft sugar sand the Maxx's took more throttle to maintain speed. I do not know if that is from the change in tread pattern or the change in tread width. Regardless, we never got stuck, or even close to getting stuck.
    STMaxx = good sand tire[​IMG]

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    12-29-2011
    Just a quick update: I haven't had them off road lately, last time was the trip to PA for junior deer season with my daughter. The steep winding track that Haggis speaks of was muddy and the Maxx's just climb right up.
    On road I have no complaints. The tires continue to run nice and quiet.
    I don't have any issues with them in the rain, like the original ST the rears will spin a bit(or a lot) if your foot gets too heavy, or the tires have too much air pressure, or the road still has that early rain oil layer on it - or a combination of all the above.
    They seem to be hydroplane resistant, hitting standing water at speed they shed water quickly enough to maintain control and give you a chance to go - whew! that coulda been worse!
    They do seem to be wearing like iron. Original tread depth was (measured by me) 19/32" after 13,000 miles of mostly road (but enough sand, gravel and mud to like these treads) they've worn down to 16/32. Math time peeps.
    19/32 - 16/32 = 3/32
    175,000 miles - 162000 miles = 13,000 miles
    13,000 / 3 = 4333 miles per 1/32 of tread wear!
    .
    let's extrapolate!
    if you drive these tires to their legal limit (3/32) that gives you a potential of 69,328 miles. [19 - 3 = 16/32; 16 x 4333 = 69,328]
    even if you only like to use half the tread life (9.5/32) that gives you a potential of 41,163 miles. [19 / 2 = 9.5; 9.5 x 4333 = 41,163]
    .
    That's off road tire life I can live with!

    12-26-2012
    I will agree! We drove up to PA over the holiday weekend. On Friday we ran into snow on I80 and up into NW PA. Got a total of 9 inches where we were, and ran on fresh slush, unplowed driveways and plowed but still snow covered roads. On the way back south we ran into snow from Berkely Springs to Warrenton. This picked up quickly and we were soon 4WD in the slippery conditions. It looked like this for hours:

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    10-16-2013
    Quick tire update: The Tundra is sitting on 205,000 miles. That gives me 42,000 on the ST Maxx tires. Not bad and they are not done yet. The tread depth on three of the tires is 10/32", the fourth tire is at 9/32". Why the difference? Well, that tire was on the right rear. With 200,000 on the LSD it just doesn't transfer power quite like it used to, allowing that right rear to spin more when I get a little aggressive with the throttle.....lol.

    1-2-2014
    I've got 46,000 miles on my tires. They do OK in the rain if I stay easy on the V8 from a standstill. Freeway speeds and windy road traction is good, wet or dry.
    I was in NorthWest PA over Christmas
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    and while the photo doesn't show it, the road was quickly covered with several inches of snow and I was 4WD. No issues around town, or backroads driven at a proper speed for conditions.
    Last Monday I was in GWNF
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    the muddy two track through the mountains posed no problems for the tires.
    I'm extremely happy with them.

    1-09-2014
    I just checked one tire, it's at 9/32". Looking back through my truck thread, at my last rotation it was at 10/32". The math figures out to roughly 4500 miles per 1/32". It's a daily driven truck that sees the woods and beach on weekends and vacations so your mileage may vary.

    If I were to use to the minimum legal tread I could get 70,000 out of them. Going to 6/32" would get me just shy of 60,000 miles. I may need new tires by fall depending on just how much travelling I do this year.
     
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    Just looked and the S/T Maxx doesnt come in 35" tires :(
     
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    Discoverer S/T Maxx
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    4.0 Stars - 17 Reviews

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    Availability: In Stock
    Tire Size: LT315/70R17
    Service Description: 121Q
    UTQG: N/A
    Mileage Warranty: N/A
    Sidewall: Black Wall
    Load/Ply Rating: D-8 Ply
    Tire Weight: 67 lbs

    $262 00 PER
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    Ok I thought I found info on the maxx but went to their website and very few sizes are listed for it. That is one of my top choices right now.
     
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    Sean, I looked up the tires you have and the diameter is 35.7". No wonder why you had a little rubbing. Most 35's that I have looked up are really around 34.5", so less rubbing with 3/1 lift.

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    LT315/70R18 (36X13.00R18) 127/124Q E B/TL 360560 8.0-(9.5)-11.0 81.57 20.66141732 35.709 12.992 3860 / 3525 65 / 65 N/A 581 3P+2S+2N 3P
     
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    Thank you for the awsome post on the Cooper ST/Maxx these were the tires i was considering and thanks to your post i feel more confident than ever these will be my tire of choice... thanks for the detailed post
     
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    Does anybody have the Nitto Trail Grapplers and have used them for winter driving? They don't have much siping so I wonder how they will do in Utah.
     
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    I had too trim the front of the fender flare. Had to cut away all but the mounting points of the mud flaps. Removed the fender liner from the mud flap to halfway up the tire. Then flattened the pinch weld with a bfh. It still rubs in certain situations but not much. ..
     
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    I have the exact the same question. I am very close to going with Nitto Trail, but the winter driving is an area of concern for me. We get a lot of snow around here. I've been reading up on various forums on this question and this is what I gathered so far.

    Nitto is surprisingly good in snow. It's definitely a better winter performer than the stock tires (BFG Rugged Trail). But its winter performance doesn't quite measure up to that of DuraTrac. Siping does help.
     
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    Best tires I've had to date are Duratracs. Had them a short time on my Tacoma before I sold it. Have had them on my Tundra for ~10k miles now. Wear is even and still looking strong.

    MT MTZs crap when i had them on my Tacoma. Lasted ~35k - 40k miles but the wear was uneven toward the end of that time so bad that it caused vibrations and noise. Bad in the dirt with ~50% wear.

    Nitto Trail Grapplers were good on my Tacoma. Great on the street and in the dirt. Didn't have any problems with them but didn't have them that long either.

    My wife enjoys her BF Goodrich AT T/A KOs on her jeep. No problems and they do great in the snow. She has had them now for ~20k miles. Wear is even and still plenty of tread.
     
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    I have 295/70/18 nitto terra grapplers on mine and do not care for them. Not good when it's muddy and not really good in the snow. Were on the truck when i got it so starting to look at opinions for my next set.
     
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    I recently installed Nitto Trail Grappler (295/70/18), Toyo's twin brother :cheers:, and am very happy with its winter performance. I haven't had chance to take it to mud, etc., but I expect it to be just as good.
     
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    Thanks for your review it was great. What would you recommend for 2012 cm v8 with 20s now will get fifth wheel and 7000lb fifth wheel thanks?
     
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    I would think with pulling that much you would want to stay with a a/t tire. Bfg's or toyo open country at2, the Goodyear dura tracks seem to be very good also.
     
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