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TOTAL CHAOS - Stock Length Lower Control Arm (LCA) - Should I upgrade?

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by TOTAL CHAOS, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. Jul 11, 2018 at 12:00 PM
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    The TOTAL CHAOS Lower Control Arms are only compatible with the TOTAL CHAOS Shock Hoops. Geometry and spacing will be very different with the competition. Icon or similar offerings will not work.

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  2. Jul 11, 2018 at 12:05 PM
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    Per long time conversations with Rob @ TC, this is my final upgrade to finish my MT setup. I run the secondary setup on my truck and it's by FAR exceeded what I do with my truck, so I'm expecting no less on these arms. Keep in mind this complete setup will rival if not surpass a factory tuned and or lightly modded raptor suspension on rebound, compression and overall wheel travel.
     
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  3. Jul 11, 2018 at 12:21 PM
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    We've found the 5/8" Grade 8 bolt to be more than strong enough for supporting the bypass. The coil over takes the majority of vehicle load which is another reason why we didn't add additional tabs.

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  4. Jul 11, 2018 at 12:24 PM
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    It will get me a LT LCA. Not a full setup. I understand I will need a whole myriad of parts to go with it.
     
  5. Jul 11, 2018 at 12:25 PM
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    Good to know, thanks
     
  6. Jul 11, 2018 at 3:10 PM
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    We have one through a supporting vendor. Hit up Joey at SDHQ.
     
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  7. Jul 12, 2018 at 8:44 AM
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    When my Tundra LCAs start doing this, I'll be upgrading

    (this was on my FJ... one year after replacing the LCAs)
    https://youtu.be/dyfNoxhx2cA
     
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  8. Aug 3, 2018 at 3:15 PM
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    Boxed Race Series Lower Control Arms + Optional Sway Bar Upgrade

    The tubular LCA set up is great. However with the added cab weight of the 4 door we wanted to reduce some of the body roll at high speeds for flatter cornering. Adding the Sway-Bar-System gave the Tundra much better on and off road handling without sacrificing wheel travel or articulation.

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  9. Aug 3, 2018 at 8:01 PM
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    Im starting to like the idea of the upper and lower together.
     
  10. Aug 8, 2018 at 10:15 AM
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  11. Aug 8, 2018 at 10:56 AM
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    ummmmm yeah no... 3800$ for the tubular lowers and uppers, plus another 650 for axles (hidden cost of 2-400$ to swap them into the factory cv's, bypass hoops are 525 and then a vast addition of things like camtab gussets and spindle gussets should be considered required... dont forget you need all new coilovers and bypasses as well.. so throw in another 3-4k$ for that

    oooorrr....

    3k$ for the stock length ones and use all the factory parts and have a bad ass mid travel rig and you are good to go... and id bet you can do 80% of what the LT guys do with no issues.

    sorry but LT and full mid travel are nothing to compare when it comes to cost comparisons. Wanna know how I know... cause ive had bracket lift, been mid travel and built my own full long travel truck.

    @TOTAL CHAOS thoughts here?
     
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  12. Aug 8, 2018 at 11:53 AM
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    Mid Travel and Long Travel aren't far off from each other if you buy everything at once. Here are two "complete packages"

    Mid Travel:
    Upper Control Arm - $816.64
    Lower Control Arm - $3088.97
    Coil Over Shocks - $1594.95 (FOX 880-02-367)
    Shock Hoops, Spindle Gussets, Cam Tab Gussets - $728.39
    Bypass Shocks - $1499.90
    TOTAL Parts Cost: $7,728.85

    Long Travel:
    +2.5" Long Travel Kit - $3548.03
    Coil Over Shocks - $1594.95 (FOX 880-02-949)
    Shock Hoops, Spindle Gussets, Cam Tab Gussets - $674.29
    Bypass Shocks - $1699.90
    LT Swaybar Link - $231.75
    LT Axle Shafts - $649.15
    TOTAL Parts Cost: $8,398.07

    Pricing will vary depending on the desired components for the coil over and bypass shocks. I'll start a Long Travel Thread soon for discussion on LT and it's benefits over mid travel. It'll be a good place to discuss this

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  13. Aug 8, 2018 at 12:05 PM
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    cool thanks for that, maybe i didnt clarify, i was just saying for someone who already has most midtravel parts, ie coilovers and uppers, just upgrading lowers and bypass and tubes is much cheaper, than ditching a midtravel coilover setup w uppers to then switch to a full LT setup'

    hope that makes sense
     
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  14. Aug 8, 2018 at 12:22 PM
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    :thumbsup:
     
  15. Aug 8, 2018 at 12:24 PM
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    I still think down the line I will stick with the mid travel just because I like the width. More tight technical stuff near me. Less wide open, unless you are on a dirt road.
    At that point you couldn't keep up with me whether you had mid or long travel. Lol
     
  16. Aug 8, 2018 at 12:28 PM
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    Btw I know totally believe in the buy once cry once theory... if it’s a 500$ diff between MT and LT setup go LT if you don’t mind the wider track width ...

    Again this is if you are going from nothing to all out full retard ...

    But if you add on and go mid travel than LT you may as well just go LT from the get go.. you could get some $ back by selling MT parts but it’s not $ for $ more like 50% of what you paid ..

    Hope I’m making sense either way w TC stuff it’s all awesome I along w many others run their LT setup and mash hard and no issues what so ever . You won’t be disappointed either way!!!
     
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  17. Aug 8, 2018 at 12:29 PM
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    No worries. Thanks :thumbsup:
     
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    Crazy that the MT UCA and LCA cost more ($3905.61)than the LT kit ($3548.03)which includes UCA, LCA, limit straps and brake lines.
    That is what most balk at as they feel it should be less.
     
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    I like those maths :)
     
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    There are a few reasons for the price difference;

    - Different manufacturing costs. The Stock Length LCA is a more intricate design and takes more time to build. Lower volume of units being made too.
    - Stock Length Lowers include Heim Sway Bar Upgrades ($231.75 value) which is not included in the LT Kit.

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  22. Aug 21, 2018 at 4:24 AM
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    The price difference is a little more than what you have here. You also have to take into account all the body modifications, fenders and such. There can be a couple grand right there just in body work and fenders.
     
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    yeah thats true, aftermarket fenders are 400$ + paint or wrap, body mount chop, the cost to swap axles over from stock CV's

    thats all i can think of right now but there could be more
     
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    We didn't include those details since there are many variables in pricing for fiberglass, paint, DIY vs. Shop build, etc. DIY customers will save lots of money compared to paying a shop to install everything.

    More info and discussion on our Long Travel Kits can be found here.

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    totally understand... just want to make sure people are not just seeing small diff in $ and thinking its not much differance, i did DIY for my full LT front and rear, and saved tons of $$
     
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    thats one pretty tundy and of course great Midtravel setup!
     
  28. Aug 21, 2018 at 11:16 AM
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    @TOTAL CHAOS does fox have a spec’d bypass as a secondary for midtravel?
     
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    Hit up Don from AZTG, he has fox secondaries on his mid travel.
     

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