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Tongue Weight Capacity?

Discussion in 'Towing & Hauling' started by Firefiter236, Jan 14, 2021.

  1. Jan 14, 2021 at 3:49 PM
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    GODZILLA

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    See the highlighted bit in the pic. Absolute best case payload would be 1730 lbs. That would be a 2WD no option truck. Remember max numbers advertised NEVER apply to anything but the most stripped down basic models. You have an SR5, not an SR, so there is no possible way for your truck to have the max advertised numbers.

    Do you have floor mats, bed liner, or steps? That all comes out of payload. You added a sway bar and a weight distributing hitch, so that weight comes out of payload. You add bags and cradles, that weight reduces it. Are you running heavier tires? You guessed it, that weight comes out of payload.

    There is no way to increase capacities listed on the door stickers. They are legal limits that you cannot change.Period. Air bags do not increase capacity. Helper springs to not increase capacity.

    Now subtract the weight of you, any passengers, bags, gear, and even your water bottles.... you are overweight. You need less trailer or more truck.

    Not trying to be rude, just trying to educate how payload works.

    Payload is not just about suspension or sag. That number is calculated to account for all aspects of the vehicle. Frame strength, braking power, cooling for the engine and transmission, axle load, gearing... all of that is calculated into your payload limit. Those calculations also have buffers built into them to account for sudden changes and shock loads from things like pot holes and the like.

    TLDR: You are overweight with that trailer.
     
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  2. Jan 14, 2021 at 4:40 PM
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    As always, you explain it better than I can.
     
  3. Jan 14, 2021 at 4:48 PM
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    I have dealt with some really slow people in my life, so I have developed the habit of putting things down in really easy to understand and sometimes repeated ways so that there can be no misunderstanding. Basically, because I'm dumb I can write things in a fairly idiot proof way. :rofl: Gets me in trouble sometimes as people see me as being condescending or a know-it-all.

    Edit: Reading this a day later I feel like it might be taken the wrong way. I am not implying that the OP is slow. My comment was purely meant to clarify where my way of explaining things comes from.
     
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  4. Jan 14, 2021 at 4:54 PM
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  5. Jan 14, 2021 at 4:57 PM
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  6. Jan 14, 2021 at 5:01 PM
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    There is nothing that you can do to the truck to increase GVWR. You do not have increased tow/haul capacity. In fact, everything that you have added to your truck has decreased your payload. Do not tow that trailer with your truck. You are grossly over weight.
     
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  7. Jan 14, 2021 at 6:51 PM
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  9. Jan 14, 2021 at 7:34 PM
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    And I don't know what everyone is so up in arms about. My buddy tows crazy weight with lesser trucks all the time! :burp:

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    :drunk::rofl:

    Jokes aside, and another person mentioned it, be careful moving weight behind the trailer axle. If overdone, it could create lift on your truck's rear axle which IMO is more dangerous than overloading the tongue (unless done to the point the fronts are barely touching the ground). You probably already know all that, but in case others new to towing see this thread and haven't thought about it...

    I wouldn't be real concerned if moving that locally (like 15 miles or so at 55mph limit), but for the long haul trips maybe consider renting a 3/4 or 1 ton truck? Could be cheap insurance in the grand scheme of things. Good luck, and safe travels!
     
  10. Jan 14, 2021 at 7:39 PM
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  11. Jan 14, 2021 at 7:44 PM
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    I have an 18 foot travel trailer and I am on the limit with my payload with my 2 little ones , wife and dog in the truck.
    Plenty of power towing , the problem with tundras always been with payload.
    There is no way your tundra will be able to handle this trailer.
     
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  12. Jan 14, 2021 at 9:09 PM
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  13. Jan 14, 2021 at 9:29 PM
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    2mchfun Yeah it'll pull it, just don't expect to stop!

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    You can get a different hitch from curt with the proper capacity. But your truck doesn't legally have the capacity that the hitch is rated for.
     
  14. Jan 14, 2021 at 9:46 PM
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    2mchfun Yeah it'll pull it, just don't expect to stop!

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    Wow!
     
  15. Jan 15, 2021 at 2:58 AM
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    Welcome to Tundras.

    You are doing what most people should, and don't. This includes this guy.

    https://www.tundras.com/threads/1500-miles-of-tt-towing-what-i-learned-about-the-tundra.5295/page-2

    I thought by just running numbers I was good. 6600 lbs was well within my weight limits...until I weighed the camper. 7200 lbs empty. Then load up everything...got around 8K pretty quick. Still within my trucks limits (2012 CM SR5 TRD). I had 1325 lbs capacity and 9000 lb tow rating to play with.

    Trailer specs: https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2013-keystone-outback-toy-hauler-floorplan-280rs-tr13901

    Here are the important ones:

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    Once loaded my tongue weight was in the mid 850 range plus 400 lbs of occupants. 1250 lbs was gone out of my available 1325 lbs. I was always very close on being overloaded. This weight would bury my ass end pretty good. I tried Hellwig springs first. They worked ok at best. The ride was rough and in conjunction with my LDH being maxed out....less than optimal results.

    Next I tried Firestone air bags with the LDH. It's ok to run both, but the majority of the weight distribution should be coming from the hitch, not the bags. Ride was still very harsh with the LDH maxed out, and airbags do not help in this department either.

    I tried a couple different bars for my LDH to make sure I was covered in the weight department with no luck. The camper was just too much for my 1/2 ton truck. I started down the rabbit hole.

    https://www.tundras.com/threads/suspension-upgrades-for-towing.5880/page-2

    Then I started having problems from using the full range of the Tundra....more so on the upper range. New front differential at 78K miles. It was making noises 10K earlier.

    https://www.tundras.com/threads/grinding-sound-feel-on-front-end.6400/


    I speak from experience when saying this. It truly is hard selling a truck you find reliable, fun to drive, paid off, etc. At some point, you have to wager if your family or someone else's lives is worth the risk. My breaking point was actually when braking in an emergency maneuver to stop. I was just flat out lucky, because of someone else's carelessness, I about wadded up the whole setup. The wife just said softly "we will not be going with you anymore until you get a bigger truck and something made for towing this weight like I suggested months ago."

    That is exactly what I did due to knowing the future trailers and weight I planned on. Otherwise I would have sold the TT and kept the Tundra. We have a few active members that sold their Tundras and stepped up to 3/4-1 ton trucks. They still hang out.
     
  16. Jan 15, 2021 at 5:50 AM
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    That's better. Thanks!
     
  17. Jan 15, 2021 at 5:58 AM
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    Bammer I'm disinclined to acquiesce your request.

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    Very well stated.:hattip:
     
  18. Jan 15, 2021 at 7:13 AM
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    Think the OP didn’t get the answer he wanted to hear so he isn’t coming back. But I bet he is still out there towing that trailer.
     
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  19. Jan 15, 2021 at 7:19 AM
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    2mchfun Yeah it'll pull it, just don't expect to stop!

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    One good gust of wind and said trailer will quickly become toothpicks and scrap iron. Possibly a funeral or several funerals and a lawsuit, maybe even criminal charges. Just nuts IMO!
     
  20. Jan 15, 2021 at 7:22 AM
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    Yep. In my rv shopping, I’m trying to stay under 500 lb tongue weight to be able to carry people and gear. He thought 1500-1600 lbs was ok because he has airbags.
     
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    2mchfun Yeah it'll pull it, just don't expect to stop!

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    Many think bags are good, maybe if towing around the block. Let 1 fail at 60 mph with 900# on the hitch! Spooky indeed!
     
  22. Jan 15, 2021 at 7:48 AM
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    Ericbike6 So we're doing this shit today?

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    I didn't have that much on the pin at the time, but I did have that happen. Makes for a very sketchy ride. Had a 2005 Sequoia at the time, about 3 weeks later had a dodge 2500 megacab with the then new 6.7ltr Cummins.

    Younger and much dumber at the time also.....
     
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    Diesel engines are heavy, so if you want diesel AND payload you usually need a 1 ton.
     
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    I really don't think 90% of truck owners understand what GVWR means....... They only look at the tow rating. People see the tow rating of 10,200 pounds and magically think they are good And do not realize that the GVWR factors in to that.

    The OP Has no business hooking that up to a 1/2 ton truck.

    If I was moving that 3 miles down the road, on a country road, to a buddies hunting slip or something like that I would. Other than that, that is a way bigger truck job.
     
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    I don't think that's fair. Some people don't check in frequently. If he were to check back then he might just bail after these kinds of comments, though. I hope he comes back and can see that we are really just trying to share what we've learned through experience. We all have to start somewhere.
     

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