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Suspension Stacking

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Jared378, Feb 8, 2019.

  1. Feb 10, 2019 at 6:44 AM
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    It may be a matter of wording. When you say ‘frame’ I think of the long solid piece of steel that runs the full length of the truck. There are bits and pieces welded to that frame that stick out, and we call those body mounts.

    I haven’t seen a tundra rub on the frame, but many of us rub on the body mount. Here’s a pic of where ours used to rub before we cut it out and put in a new plate. Cutting the body mount is a very common practice.

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  2. Feb 10, 2019 at 6:46 AM
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    Yeah, you’re rubbing on the body mount. Some people call it a cab mount.

    You just need to cut that out and put a plate in. Or use a smaller spacer on your wheels. How close is your tire actually to the UCA? What offset are your rims?
     
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  3. Feb 10, 2019 at 6:57 AM
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    No offset on my rims. They came with the TSS package. I don’t think there’s a reliable, hub centric wheel spacer smaller than 1.25” unless I want to compromise off road capability.

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  4. Feb 10, 2019 at 7:02 AM
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    I’m not super familiar with wheel spacers since we don’t use them, so I can’t speak for a quality one. If you’ve been running these for a while, it may be worth a new look at what’s available and try to find a 1”. It oooks like you have plenty of room for a slight reduction in spacer.

    Or

    Get an adjustable upper control arm like the icon billet. But that’s not cheap.

    Your most economical option is the body mount chop. You can buy the plates and take them to a local fab shop for cut and weld. Less than $400 all in as far as I know and the problem disappears. I’ve never had dealership take issue with a body mount chop.
     
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  5. Feb 10, 2019 at 7:15 AM
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    No reliable 1” wheel spacer. It wouldn’t be worth it to drop $300-400 for a mount chop. Adjustable control arm might work however. I am pretty confident increasing the lift of the vehicle by 1” will solve my issue though. Question is how to get there. Adding shims to the leveling spacer, using my height adjustable shock + coachbuilding shims (tossing the leveling spacer), or working in some sort of preload spacer in conjunction with either my current leveling spacer / height adjustable shock.
     
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  6. Feb 10, 2019 at 8:27 AM
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    You're getting really good advice from everyone here but you seem pretty set on doing the opposite of what everyone says. You want 1 more inch if lift by stacking lifts. Don't say we didn't warn you when you have some kinda of catastrophic failure.
     
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    Here’s the short version. If you’re already at 3+ inches of lift and want more, you need to invest in a bracket lift. There is no way around that. Mechanical breakage will occur if you lift your truck more than it is right now.

    If you want to clear the tires and stop rubbing, you need to either switch wheel spacers or chop the mount or get adjustable uppers. There is no way around that. (Different rims with the correct offset will fix your issue, but is not cheap so I’m not offering it as a solution to your specific situation). Adjustable uppers also aren’t cheap.

    FWIW, we run 37s with no rub at all on a 2” lift. And we offroad hard. Jumps and boulder fields are regular for us. It’s also my wife’s daily driver, so it has to be reliable.

    Here’s an old picture before she got glass fenders and 0 offset beadlocks. These tires were 37x13.5 and didn’t rub.

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  8. Feb 10, 2019 at 12:18 PM
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    I always like when @Coachbuilder puts his 2 cents in. He makes a great argument and most likely the most sense. :popcorn:
     
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  9. Feb 10, 2019 at 5:30 PM
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    Yeah, I’m being stubborn since stacking with Ford is relatively easy and safe in some cases. I’ll probably just end up buying the 4.5” lift kit from RoughCountry. I think that’s the most economical solution. I’m getting minimal rub currently which I can deal with. Getting a lift is just as important as being able to clear the tire so I might as well knock out both at once. Thanks gentlemen.

    I like her truck! Do you have a Tundra? If so send pics
     
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  10. Feb 10, 2019 at 7:24 PM
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    I typically try to steer people away from bracket lifts if they offroad as it appears you do. But if you’re trying to get the beefy look and some off road capability, it’s probably the right thing for you. We were strictly after off road performance, so we kept it as low as possible.

    I drive an FRS. Haha! The Tundra is my wife’s. Everything we’ve done to it has ultimately been up to her.

    Here’s a couple current pics.

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  11. Feb 10, 2019 at 7:35 PM
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    Kevink, your wife’s truck looks amazing with those 37’s
     
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  12. Feb 12, 2019 at 8:44 AM
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    Thanks for the call.. Yes, you can either add 2 shims on the driver and 1 on the passenger side to correct the driver side lean or use 2 on each side for 1" of additional lift. we need to be sure we are still fully cycling the assembly and with just .50" of shim we will achieve this.
     
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  13. Feb 12, 2019 at 11:23 AM
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    Wheel spacers are def not all created equal, We've used a few select brands over the years and offer Bora on our site for the Tundras https://shop-coachbuilder.myshopify.com/products/bora-wheel-spacer-1-25-tundra-2007-sold-in-a-pair
    Anything thinner then 1.25" will require cutting the end of the lug studs off.
     
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