Should I trade my 2018 Tundra in on a new one? help me decide.

I can almost guarantee you the new engine will get better gas mileage towing than the gen2. The gen2 got the worst gas mileage of any truck, not a hard benchmark to beat

 

4.30 gears are better for towing, off road, and general low end grunt. At the expense of some mpg. If you tow more, or carry heavier payloads both of which benefit from 4.30 gears you'll be glad to have them.

The 3.31 gearing will have better mpg at the expense of those things I said above.

I prefer the 4.30 rear end.

Also, the link/coil vs leaf springs is something to consider as well. Since you will tow/carry payloads.

It appears to me, from the 3.31 gearing, lack of tow hooks, coils that the 2022 is marketed and designed for guys who don't tow as much or carry as much payload, ie. City driving where the unloaded vehicle will really benefit from the better mpg of the ttv6.

How important are the tech updates to you? If you're primarily unloaded/empty cruising around the creature comforts of the new generation may be what you want.

The 2021 will have better turning radius, proven longevity, 4.30 rear end. Less failure points because it has less new tech, and many years of finding and working out kinks because it's been around so long.

It was an easy choice for me, as I plan to keep the truck for as long as it will last. If you plan on switching vehicles often the long term issues that are yet to be determined on the new gen are less an issue.

 

Agreed.

 

The history of ttv6 towing says otherwise. The ecoboost is well known to get terrible milage towing. Will it be slightly better mpg than the ecoboost? Time will tell. Nothing to right home about though.

 

I think you have a little 2021 bias in there, which I understand but..

the gearing argument you're making isn't valid when the 10-speed trans and torque peak are included.

And the new truck, while some head scratching over tow hooks I agree with, does have a higher payload and more towing, so I think its a little unfair to say or allude to the 2021 being more capable of a towing and hauling truck.

the TTv6 will likely walk away from the 2021 pulling is my guess since it has 479 lbs at 2400 rpm running through shorter overall ratios, all those are significantly better than the 5.7, which I have do like BTW.

 

Axle ratios don't matter because of transmissions? News to me. I am biased to reliability, which is why I chose the 21.

This is the first toyota I've ever owned, been a ford guy and still own my 3/4 ton. There's aspects of the new tundra I wish the 21's had, like crawl control. But I'm not a fan of making a truck have a smaller engine and forcing it to work harder through forced induction. I'd rather have a bigger engine with a power adder.

As far as payload, look at the sticker in the door of a new 22 model and let me know how much more it is than the 21's, with its smaller gas tank.

 

Comparing their mileage in the 5.7 to the ttv6 the ttv6 wins, sticking by this until someone proves it otherwise. The ford they said constantly was high revving and in boost, the tundra stayed calm, cool, and low rpm's out of boost.

 

That's cool man, maybe it will be the best engine ever made and get way better milage than the ecoboost while being more powerful and more reliable. I hope so. Doubt it.

 

yes, there is a lot more than looking at the rear end, there is a transmission between the engine and the rear end, it makes a huge difference having 10 gears, vs 6 gears and impacts the overall final drive ratio.

and then if you watch the ike gauntly TFL just did, the ttv6 seamed to not work nearly as hard as the larger v8 since its forced induction. MPG for all of them towing is shit, thats not the point, the point is it gives you power for those tows, then when unloaded gets much better mileage.

most models are 200-400 pounds more payload for 2022 and the smaller tank is smaller but the range is the same or better in most, not all, circumstances since the efficiency is much better.

Im not knocking your 2021, I have a 2016, but there is no reason to believe that the new truck won't eb as reliable at this point, Toyota has been making reliable turbos forever.

 

tundra has way lower torque peak than ford, 2400 rpm, huge difference !

 

You believe what you'd like, I have no qualms with that. I'll go with my opinion. I'll take tried and true over what essentially amounts to hoping the new engine will be as reliable. Like I said I keep my trucks for the long haul so proven track record trumps hope everytime.

 

nothing wrong with that, I still have my 2016.

but I was more addressing hauling, towing, and gearing aspect of your post to clear up some misinformation.

no worries

 

Misinformation about what? Gearing does in fact matter, 3.31 is not as good for low end torque. Neither is an engine that relies on boost to build for torque. Payload and hauling capacity is ambiguously defined, its fairly commonly known that heavy duty vehicles use leaf springs over coils. Not every aspect of the new Gen is better for hauling or payloads. Factually some of the changes aren't actually "better".

Like I said, look at the sticker on the door.

 

never mind man, it doesnt matter

 

I get it, guys are excited about the new generation. But not everything Toyota changed was good for a truck. Pretty obvious.

 

2022 Tundra 1794 listed at my dealership with 1820lbs of payload! This is on their site as the vehicle is incoming. But, if this is true this is epic and the highest payload of any Tundra I’ve seen.

 

That would be a good increase! Typically 2wd non offroad trucks have higher payloads.

 

2WD? It's gotta be with that payload. A 2WD CM 6.5' bed with no panoramic moonroof maybe? That said, I'd wait and see what that other yellow sticker says below the rating sticker. Could say subtract another 100 lbs or so.

 

Is it 4WD?

If so I'd put that at about a 0% chance from what I've seen.....and I hope I'm completely wrong and that is what it comes in at, because I'll buy it.

If all the 4WD SR5's I'm seeing are coming in actually in the 1,350-1,400 lb range there's no way a loaded 1794 has 1,820 lbs unless they are using a complete different suspension and drivetrain for the higher end models. My guess is 1,400 lbs or less and I honestly hope I'm proven wrong.......

I'd really be surprised if it's that high in a 2WD, but maybe?

 

It is 4x4 btw. I would agree that is has to be a typo…

 

I sure hope it isn't, but I'm going to remain slightly pessimistic on this.

Are you going to look at the truck when it arrives? I'd love to know if this is actually the case.

I just looked at a Platinum that's coming in at one of our local dealers and they list it as "base" curb weight, so that's before options. On the one you posted they just call it curb weight. Interesting.

 

max payload on toyota spec website is 1665 for that model, thats before any options or accessories, like off-road package or HUD, etc/

its likely around 1400 ish real world, which is still more than the 1100 or so in most last gen 1794, platinums.

they have the GVWR, curb weight, and payload calc wrong

According to their numbers it would be GVWR 7780- curb weight 5490 = 2290 lbs payload

GVWR on toyota site is 7285, curb wieght 5620

7285-5620 = 1,665 payload before options and accessory

thats 1794 CC 5.5 bed 4x4

 

That dealer info shows a turning radius of 24.3 feet on the 2022 Tundra.
The turning radius on the 2021 Tundra is only 22 feet. See attached.

Is that 2.3 feet a big deal ? Would it be noticeable on tight trail turns (90 degrees) where the trees and rock walls, are close on each side ? I mean its really tight right now where I go as it is.

 

Bed Size for Hauling Items - Depth and Width. 2022 on left 2021 on right.

Inside Bed Depth 2022 - 20.9 inches 2021 - 22.2 inches
Inside Bed Width (total/between wheel wells) 2022 - 58.7/48.7 inches 2021 - 66.4/50.0 inches

If anyone thinks a matter of inches is nothing - then you have not tried to cram stuff into a pickup bed under a tonneau cover.
Someone I know used to work for Enterprise Rental. He could drive whatever vehicles were left on the lot home for his use at end of the day.
I got to see and drive mostly Rams and F150's . I used to joke with him about how shallow the bed in the Ram is.
I could touch the bottom of the bed from the outside.
That is not possible on my 2018 Tundra due to the increased depth.

 

1.3in of depth is really nothing, the width I am slightly worried about

 

Dealership pages are not where I would get or quote information about ANY vehicle.

 

Yep, it would be noticeable. It makes the 2022 shortbed take as much space to turn as my enormous beast.

 

Thank you for this information. I really appreciate it ..... and damn this is not good.

Got the bedsize numbers from here. Should have posted the link.

https://pickuptrucktalk.com/2021/10/is-the-2022-toyota-tundra-smaller-a-spec-by-spec-comparison/

 

This will have a payload of +/- 1300 lb. Real payload is about 400lb less than the posted ones. Big B/S from the Marketing Team

 

If you want to know the real payload of a truck you have to open the door and look at the sticker. These manufacturer or dealership advertising stats are way over exaggerated and always are.