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Discussion in '1st Gen Tundras (2000-2006)' started by Spread5150, Nov 18, 2022.

  1. Jan 22, 2023 at 7:02 AM
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    You’ve added a lot of new variables into your original brakes problem. You also had a third party do the install, so that’s another variable. Assuming all the bits when in as they are designed to and the brakes were properly bled, then what’s left is master cylinder, brake booster and ABS system if yours is equipped. The “click and let go” you describe makes it sounds as if something is holding the brakes, than releasing them independent from you pedal input. Something sticking, or a problem with the ABS system is possible. Is the brake reservoir staying full? If it’s losing fluid, and you don’t have a leak, brake booster is suspect. Also as a word of caution, don’t go chasing that GM or Ford pedal feel you may be used to. These trucks all have soft pedal to start, then grab. The object isn’t to get rid of all the pedal slack, it’s to get the brakes functioning properly. As many have alluded to, the rears are the key to proper adjustment for best pedal feel and function.
     
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  2. Jan 22, 2023 at 8:04 AM
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    My mc didnt leak into the booster, just past the o-rings. I remember a clunk, but its been over a year, i think if i just used an inch of pedal travel, everything would work fine, but if i used more pedal, there would be a clunk (might have been the MC shaft taking its sweet time to hit the pushrod in the booster).

    i didnt make a thread, i think i just spammed the WDYD thread as i poked & prodded.
     
  3. Jan 22, 2023 at 8:35 AM
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    You happen to know if you can pull the ABS fuse on these trucks as a means to rule out ABS being one possible source of the issue?

    If so, that seems like a down and dirty way to take ABS out of the equation, and point back to the MC/booster/other.
     
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  4. Jan 22, 2023 at 8:37 AM
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    Mine has always functioned normally, so never had to try personally, but I’ve read many of the members on here who are just anti-anti-lock brakes. They pull the ABS fuse and enjoy full on stoppie wheel skids.
     
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  5. Jan 22, 2023 at 8:39 AM
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    Can't pull the ABS fuse on double cabs but you can on the OP's 2000.
     
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  6. Jan 22, 2023 at 9:10 AM
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    My 94 has no abs. Has made me pucker up a few times.
     
  7. Jan 22, 2023 at 9:11 AM
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    Try pulling ABS fuse, take it for a short lap and see if it continues?

    @Spread5150 I'm either dumb or I can't find where you designated if your cab type is AC/RC/DC. But I'm going to guess it's AC based on a mirror thread where you show your overhead console and it looks like mine.

    https://parts.toyota.com/a/Toyota_2...709171/BRAKE-MASTER-CYLINDER/841420-4702.html

    That's the MC page for your truck make/model/details, although a vin lookup would be more precise.

    You can click the "view more images" button on that page to see all possible MC types. Be happy you don't have the one on the left with the little silver canister, everyone seems to bitch about that one not having enough oomph.

    If I'm not mistaken, your MC is the 3rd/4th/6th exploded diagram on that page. According to that, if your truck has VSC, your MC part number is 472010c010. If your truck has NO VSC, your MC part number is 472010c012. You're right, both are discontinued.

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  8. Jan 22, 2023 at 9:17 AM
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    I also can't seem to find a master cylinder repair kit for p/n 472010c012 or 472010c010

    I failed to find an Aisin/Denso compatible part to boot.
     
  9. Jan 22, 2023 at 9:34 AM
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    My raybestos warranty is about to expire. We'll see if it holds up, but no problems so far, and driving down my yard exercises the abs (gravel 'cliff'), which i think would be extra wear and tear on the MC.
     
  10. Jan 23, 2023 at 5:37 PM
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    Today I replaced the master cylinder. 10 mil line wrench and 12 mill socket was all I needed.
    Went with the NAPA lifetime warranty model.
    Seems to have fixed my issue.

    Brakes no longer seem to be sticking.
     
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  11. Jan 23, 2023 at 6:25 PM
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    Here are some pics of the stuff that got pulled off

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  12. Feb 16, 2023 at 5:57 PM
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    I believe the sway bars are causing me some headache.

    If I take the right wheel up on the curb the left side creaks like crazy.


    Been dealing with it and it’s about driven me crazy.

    Now that the truck is lifted what about removing the sways ?

    I see a few people with 2nd gen models do it but didn’t find a thread on first gen models.
     
  13. Feb 16, 2023 at 6:51 PM
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    Extended links with that lift, or no?
    Poly bushings or rubber?
     
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  14. Feb 16, 2023 at 7:25 PM
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    Stock new oem links.
    They are poly.
    Not squeak but a creak

    it’s 2.5 inch coil overs
     
  15. Feb 16, 2023 at 7:28 PM
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    See any problems here ?

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  16. Feb 16, 2023 at 8:06 PM
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    So stock OEM Toyota links with poly bushings instead of rubber? My moog regular length arms bent very quick after install and were causing a really loud pop noise bushings were destroyed too. Went with suspension maxx extended links and no issues since. Your arms might be at a bad angle and bent.
     
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  17. Feb 17, 2023 at 5:47 AM
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    Some potential problems, sure.

    Poly bushings squeak and creak, especially if no lube is used during install.
    Stock-length sway links are too short for a 2.5" lift, per others' experience.

    Try popping off your swaybar links and go drive around. Does the noise continue?

    Did you lube your poly bushings before install?

    Did you replace the swaybar bushings also?
     
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  18. Feb 17, 2023 at 9:50 AM
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    Bushing were replaced also poly. It seems to be coming from the links.

    I am assuming that removing it will solve the issue.

    Have others reported great results with removing it all together.

    my daily commute is only 7 miles.

    I am looking for long term reports of removal all together.
     
  19. Feb 17, 2023 at 9:57 AM
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    Removing front swaybar? Yes. Some of our more off-roady folks (thinking of @oscardog86 @RUSTYNUTS @FrenchToasty @alb1k if memory serves) have run with or are running with no front sway bar. Oscardog specifically pulled his front after installing the rear and can speak to that experience. Plenty of others have run with it fully disconnected.
     
  20. Feb 17, 2023 at 10:23 AM
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    to be continued...
    @Spread5150 your problem is the lift with stock sway links. Regardless of rubber vs. poly bushings. It likely causes a rougher ride for you overall but the sway bar is meant to operate thru a set range of motion with your suspension. So your sway bar at stock length is literally working against your suspension/ride quality with a 2.5" lift. That being said, unless you get extended length links to go with your lift, you're better off without the sway bar. I ran my truck without the swaybar for a couple months, and will say this; I didn't realize how much the swaybar helps in response and handling, until I reinstalled it. I do have a lift and the extended length links. I also like to drive my truck like a sportscar, and much more confidently with the sway bar installed. Mucho leano without it
     
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    Ok. I’ll assume I can find a home for my originals.

    Who makes solid extended links for the first gen

    I would prefer keep it. I thought coming from a 2.5 inch block lift to 2.5 coil over lift wouldn’t make much change as far as sway bar mounts go. But I guess I was wrong
     
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    I wouldn't remove the sway bars from my truck, as I often heavily load it, and it never came with rear sway bars anyway. If I removed the front bar, I'd add a rear one.

    I have completely removed the sway bars from my Subaru, front and back....which is the best thing I ever did for it.
     
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    You will increase body roll when loaded. Could be the difference in staying on all fours or going over during an evasive maneuver on the highway or mountain road.
     
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    This is not a 'told you so' or even in that same vein, just saying: Nobody here can help if you don't ask for advice :D I possibly missed where you posted to ask for it, else I probably would've warned you.

    I feel like there's a lot of warnings on here about using extended links if you're lifting, but I may hang out here more than most. :rofl:
     
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    Ok. So after further inspection. It’s not the sway links. The factory ones seems to be sufficient. Turns out it’s coming from the drivers side leaf spring.

    Needed a second set of ears to source it.

    While a flex from the front end sets the sound off. It is in fact coming from the drivers side leaf. A creaking.

    I didn’t have the guys mess with the leafs but I did have new 5100 Billy’s put on the back. Prior to this there was no creak. But it did have clapped out stock 23 year old shocks. It does have a one inch or so block from revtek that was installed some 20 years ago.

    So what are my options on ending this ?

    Anything jump out from these photos.

    It does seem like the lowest leaf is out of line w the rest of them. Can they be tightened ? Or rebuilt ? Take a hammer and knock it back in line and retighten. It’s time for old man emu ? Whats the plan ?

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    When I find out what sounds are, and it turns out to be something that doesn't really matter....I just chock it up to part of the trucks 'voice'.

    That being said....if anyone could tell me how to stop my new front breaks from shrieking for the first couple seconds of use every time I let the truck sit overnight....that would be cool ;)
     
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    I put new akebeno pads. The highest option. They have been great since the first minute.
    Get um.

    This creak sounds like the truck is binding.

    The truck isn’t sagging or anything. Just kinda annoying
     
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