LANE KEEP ASSIST/Centering - do you use it?

Sorry, but you are wrong, sport. I'm quite familiar with the both lane departure and lane centering modes. When activated lane departure works at all times. Lane centering only works when LTA is activated and you are using adaptive cruise control. I tested both features extensively on a 17 hour road trip.

The rest of your silly attempt to make fun of boomers only displays your childish ignorance to this topic.

Matt

 

Just the fact that there are so many DOCUMENTED situations that are VERY COMMON indicates that this is a feature still in beta testing and probably should not have been released yet.

 

Disagree. My lexus does it, the Tundra does it less. Try a 4 lane highway at 70 MPH in the winter. Casual drive turns into white knuckle until we pulled over and shut that crap off

 

Those floor mats are a disaster too! Did you know if you forget to secure them they can slide under the brake pedal! Super dangerous and unbelievable that Toyota would release floor mats with such dangerous limitations.

 

Sorry boomer. Lane departure doesn’t “work at all times.” Once again, please read the manual and try it more than once before you declare the tech a “joke”

 

That buzzing sound is my point flying over your head, sport. You claimed those of us who are complaining about the pin-balling affect of lane centering are actually using lane departure, not lane centering. You are dead wrong. I had a total of 34 hours and 2300 miles behind the wheel in just one trip to test both features. If you don't think they need more refinement, you are even younger and more ignorant than I thought.

Look, I get that you're a Tundra fan boy, and can't stand when others criticize your most prized possession. But, to some of us, our Tundras are just another vehicle with its own set of quirks. Our identity isn't defined by our trucks, like yours is. You'll understand when you grow up.

Matt

 

Please elaborate on what you mean by “it sucks” and “in need of refinement”
Those comments are pretty disparate takes on the quality.

 

Well, if you had actually read the entire thread, myself and others have described the problems with both lane departure and lane centering.

For me, any type of steering assist should operate at least as smoothly as I can steer. That isn't the case on these trucks.

Do you honestly not feel lane centering constantly correcting the steering in a jerky abrupt fashion as it hunts for the lines on both sides of the lane? Then there's the annoying tendency for it to try to follow the lines at exit ramps instead of staying in the lane. Not to mention the distracting alerts every time it doesn't detect a line for whatever reason.

The whole point of driving assist features is to make driving safer and to reduce driving fatigue. I'd argue that both lane departure and lane centering do the exact opposite.

Matt

 

While your little feud above was somewhat entertaining but getting old now, I will add my experience.
There are short comings; it can't always see the lines so it turns on and off sporadically on older roads with missing lines ( you can hardly blame the technology for that), at exits it gets confused (okay, I don't know how they would correct that), but 90% of the time my lane centering is smooth with zero hunting; it stays dead center in the lane. I often do the 1,200 mile I-95 trip between Florida and New York and I litterally "set it and forget it" for hundreds of miles as long as traffic is flowing somewhat decently. I keep a hand on the wheel, just because I am supposed to, but sometimes I lower the steering wheel and let it rest on my leg so it feels the resistance and don't yell at me for letting go of the wheel, and I will drive like that for hours.

Maybe some of you need yours calibrated or something, I don't know, but mine stays dead center.

 

NO I DON'T

YES, THE CAMERA FOLLOWS THE LANE MARKER, WHAT'S YOUR POINT?

YES TOYOTA SHOULD DEFINITELY DISABLE THAT ALERT...

CONSUMER REPORTS, MOTOR TREND, CAR AND DRIVER WOULD, ETC. WOULD ALL BEG TO DISAGREE ON THEIR REVIEWS OF TOYOTA SAFETY SENSE 2.5, BUT MAYBE YOU FOUND SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T

 

All caps, sport? Are you yelling, or do you think that adds emphasis to your comments? Here's a tip...it makes you look illiterate.

I don't need shills like Consumer Report, Motor Trend, or Car and Driver to form an opinion. Perhaps you do. Or, you could do a quick Google search and find literally hundreds of similar complaints about the Tundra's lane centering feature. I guess you got the only one on the planet that actually works like it should. Lucky you, sport.

Matt

 

Maybe I am the lone lucky one.....or maybe I and many others just know how to read the manual before forming an expectation of what the technology can and cannot do before declaring TSS 2.5 "sucks". It sucks relative to what? You may not have driven other cars with this technology, but be prepared to be disappointed with your expectations of omniscience.

 

Once again, sport, your ignorance is showing. I read the manual from cover to cover the first night I brought my truck home, and I've referenced it several times since. I also never declared that all of "TSS 2.5 sucks". I said lane departure and lane centering suck. I base that opinion on experience from driving other vehicles with the same technology. The Tundra's implementation is lacking in comparison.

Now, I'm done with you, fan boy. It's been mildly entertaining, but now it's getting boring. Enjoy pin-balling your way down the highway of life.

Matt

 

I played with this last night, on a brand new stretch of pavement, put down maybe 2 weeks ago, and brand new lines painted on it now. In both variants of sensitivity, it was just bad. ping ponging..

 

The lane keeping in Tundra isn't top flight. It was better in my '22 F150 and my BMW is very good. The BMW just went through an OTA update that improved it further.

That said, I use lane keeping almost never. Like the auto parking I have on other vehicles, it's more of a bar trick to me. Not something I use.

 

I am starting to see the childish pattern you have going here.

 

On mine it is hit or miss as to performance. I have used it several times on the exact same road under essentially the same conditions (dry pavement, similar traffic) and have had the lane centering work very well and smoothly make adjustments and then other times it pinballs all over the lane. The only thing I can't say definitively was the same was lighting angles and perhaps that can/does impact performance.

 

Just repeating his prior appraisal of the system as "crap"

 

At certain times of day where the shadows from trees through off the sensors. If it's a solid shadow there's no problem, but if it's shadow/light/shadow/light etc, the sensors do not recognize the lanes. Aside from those times, I've found it works great.

 

"Bar trick" is a good way to put it.

I wonder if the folks who think lane centering works well have ever tried it in other vehicles? I, too, have used it in a BMW, and it was silky smooth. No pin-balling at all. It even handled curves reasonably well, up to a certain point. That's what I expected out of my Tundra.

It's another first world problem, though. I've lived 62 years without steering assist features, I can live without them now.

 

Yeah, my 5 year older Audi handles it much better, with no ping-pong affect, even on corners (up to certain point). I don't use it, because I still find it disconcerting at times when traffic from other lanes is crowding into my lane. Not sure it would handle bicycles well on the side of the road, haven't had a chance to try that, but if you want to check out a great video of how it should work, check out Elon Musk's recent video of them using the latest AI Based auto driving feature in the Tesla. I'm not a fan of Tesla, but for other reasons, but their self-drive features are generations ahead of anything else out there.

 

I for one am happy Toyota didn’t raise the starting price to $80K and an extra $200 a month subscription to afford a system would meet your expectations of “how it should work”

 

It's kinda sad that 5 year old Audi technology outperforms brand new Toyota tech.

As for Tesla, I doubt I'll live long enough to ever trust a computer to drive for me.

Matt

 

Don’t forget to mention the Audi also has a higher top speed, higher price and faster depreciation. Tundra really disappoints comparing to a top end luxury saloon. So “sad”

 

I've got a fair amount of experience with autonomous vehicle technology. The vehicle price point and top speed doesn't really have much to do with it. The sensors and core SW are the same across a line regardless of it being a pick up or Lexus luxury sedan. Further, the sensors have dramatically fallen in price, improved in capability and the SW has firmed up so newer should be better. My guess is it's an issue of calibration in the SW not core technology.

Having worked with the technology, I think until level 5 is available, which is never in my lifetime, most of this is nice to have but not that important. You can make the argument that it's on a continuum of distraction to a false sense of security. Are people as engaged when a level 2 aid is kinda, sorta helping?

I don't use the assisted parking, lane keeping, don't like adaptive cruise and the trailer management takes me more time to figure out than just backing up the trailer.
It helps some so that's a good thing. The market demands an answer of some kind but none of it is game changing to me.

 

This guy sums up my feelings about lane centering well at the end of this video.

"It's kinda jerky"... "I'd rather do this myself"...."It has a ways to go"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Av1clLENDM

 

FALSE
Lexus Teamate includes the following sensors:

front-facing Lidar
front-facing long-range radar
short-range radar facing front
short range radar facing both blind-spot areas 360- degree cameras
360- degree ultrasonic sensors
forward facing camera
forward facing long range telescope camera

 

Looked to me that Steering Assist was selected, not Lane Centering based on display

 

Long straight-ish stretches while I’m traveling? I love it