Interesting informed take on the Tundra Recall

What is a "foreign citizen". There are only citizens and non-citizens.

Maybe you meant residents?

 

A foreign citizen is a citizen of another country. It is interchangeable with foreign national as used in many official federal publications.

 

LOL. Do you REALLY think I was seriously excited about getting a second engine? FFS.

 

If I lived close to him I wouldn’t want anyone else to touch my truck…I also bought a 04 sequoia for a toy and was about to take it ti him but he wouldn’t do the after market suspension. I live about 8 hours away

 

I was at my local dealer and looked around the shop and they had one that they where putting a short block in. They had the complete drive train out of it and it seemed like a whole another bay of parts that come off the motor.If that was my truck I’d be sick

 

Oh I'm sure they are putting back to factory spec and have lots of experience doing so.
Nothing to worry about.

 

Not all techs are the same. There is dealer techs, Pro techs and Master techs. Which one gets the job is up to the service manager. The more complicated a job the more likely a mistake will happen. It's a gamble.

 

Oh, I know.
I was being sarcastic.

Probably only one guy I trust at the Dealership near me and he is usually busy.

They see 200-300 vehicles per day and he only lays eyes on maybe 3 dozen or so.

Not a good spot for any sort of engine rebuild, I suspect the best techs can make more money elsewhere running their own business or working for another shop.

 

My favorite YouTube channel. His shop is like 3 hours away. One day my tundra will see his shop. Excellent car reviewer channel as well. Look forward to all his videos

 

I think it’s the one just above the base 4 cylinder.

I have another freind with the super fast v8 well over $100k. That thing is a rocket.

They do drive very very well. Thinking about a 130 vs. Sequoia vs Landcruiser for my wife and the kids.

is there a hybrid version that’s not sold here?

 

This issue is going to cost owners a significant amount of money. lesser value on trade-ins, lower value when a vehicle is involved in an accident and totaled.

 

TCCN posted a video today of his new 1794 LE and a few mods he made to it.

https://youtu.be/OhVu9alg0tM?si=i8ut_gSPDcM9cPlW

 

I could see where current pricing discounts would cause someone in the market with an experienced shop to role the dice.

But not if I travel cross country or go off-grid, just a hard pass. Even if you insist on something new, there are far more reliable options right now from the Big 2, and I'd rather ride with the baby Duramax from GM, or the now very well-refined Ecoboost from Ford.

 

^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^

Even being a Toyota master technician won't help if you're stranded due to a catastrophic engine failure 1,000 miles away from home.

 

Look at it this way: Each trip, towing, overlanding, whatever, has a baseline risk due to other road hazards and users, to come to a screeching halt. The risk that is added by this recall issue would seem to me to be an infinitesimal increase in this baseline risk to be overly worried about it.

 

Look at it this way: Each trip, towing, overlanding, whatever, has a baseline risk due to other road hazards and users, to come to a screeching halt. The risk that is added by this recall issue would seem to me to be an infinitesimal increase in this baseline risk to be overly worried about it.

 

Where I live if you have a break down in the winter you could freeze to death and we have many places with no cell service. If I get stuck I want a warm truck to sit in while I dig myself out or wait for help.

 

This^^^ I refuse to let the minor chance that my engine might fail change the way I use my truck. I'm packing it as we speak for a remote fly fishing trip to Wyoming. We won't have cell service for most of the time. If she blows, she blows, and I'll deal with it then. Can't live life worrying about "what-ifs".

 

Literally, bought my Tundra the day the recall was announced. Love the truck and have a good sense of humor. So, should I?

 

My 97 LX450 is kitted for off-roading. I stumbled across it in 2007 at the time because it was $5K less than a somewhat newer Sequoia. Then I learnt after the fact about what a tremendous off-roading vehicle it was. To top it off, all the LXs’ sold in Canada had the magic dial. I was hooked. I quickly learnt while off-roading with other vehicles how reliable it was compared to pretty much everything else I saw. In all the years of off-roading, I only had one issue which was caused by dust getting onto the MAF. However, that was quickly resolved with a battery disconnect/ECM reset.
There’s a real reason why most folks in Australia stick with Toyota Land Cruisers and not Land Rovers etc. I just saw a beautifully fully kitted Land Rover Discovery at the local cruise night. It was beautiful. It ticked all the boxes, and I really have a soft spot for them, but I would not be caught dead in one to go off-roading. For me dependability/reliability is number one. Having said all that, for me personally I wouldn’t touch one of these 3rd Gen Tundras until the issue is resolved. It is literally a ticking time bomb, and where I live and go off-roading it is not an easy phone call to CAA/AAA to come get you.

 

Driving home from work or school without your seatbelt carries infinitesimal risk too, but I wouldn't advise it. Suddenly a fender bender becomes "catastrophic".

So we prepare for baseline risk. Tire blowout, high centered in sand and mud, fender bender, dead battery, etc. I can prepare for it. Can't carry a spare motor with me, so I wouldn't advise travel with an unreliable one prone to "catastrophic" failure.

 

If I lived in an area like that, I would have a backup source of heat and suitable clothing with me as a common sense precaution anyway, since any truck can have a moose antler through the radiator or any other number of things fail and render it inoperable, but, hey, that is just me.

(BTW, I am in a region pretty used to snow and blizzards.)

 

Fair enough, but there remains a certain level of baseline risk that cannot be mitigated against. This recall, from my point of view, poses an infinitesimal increase in that unmitigable baseline risk. I put 70k of my own hard earned money to buy a 2024 Tundra yesterday. Everyone is entitled to put up with the risks that they are comfortable in accepting for themselves, of course. And I feel just fine with my choice. For myself, of course.

 

Most and myself always travel with extra boots and clothing stuffed behind the back seat when traveling in remote areas. Also carry and a candle for some heat in the vehicle. I would rather not do that and just have a reliable engine I could trust. I'm sure there are areas in the southwest desert areas that life treating high heat could be an issue while waiting on the side of a road for a tow truck.

Point is that Tundra owners have absolute trust in our trucks but unfortunately we just can't say that now. There will always be that little bit of uncertainty wondering if your going to be left sitting on the side of the road. Toyota needs to do complete engine assembly changes to restore that trust. If they try to cheap out with engine short block replacements, Toyota fans will be buying something else.

 

I agree with this statement 100%. Anything less is not acceptable in my view.

 

I agree as well. Dealer bays are absolutely no place to be tearing down an engine and re-assembling it, especially on a recall that affects this many vehicles with likely more to be added. I recall seeing the parts all laid out when I had my head gasket done at a local Toyota/Lexus dealer for my LX and was just stunned.
Watching the CarWizard’s guys tear into and replace all kinds of engines is an eye opener when you see 5, 6, 7, and more rolling carts with multiple shelves filled with parts.
I think folks need to finally come to grips with the fact that Toyota is no longer the same company it was a decade or two ago. They decided back then they wanted to be the world’s largest car manufacturer in terms of volume, and they succeeded. Additionally, their profit margins are higher everywhere except NA.
The fact that Toyota has gone the route it has speaks volumes as to their “new” approach with respect to how they treat their customers and perhaps even their dealers/techs, etc. Not giving sufficient hrs under warranty to do the fix? If true, you can be guaranteed that “you” as the customer will be the only one “shafted”. TCCN, pointed this out very clearly with his recent vid on replacing the sun/moon roof seal on a Highlander, that under warranty Toyota only allotted 1-2 hrs, but their own repair manual had called for the entire interior and mechanism to be removed in order to “properly” replace the seal. He stated it was really Toyota corporate that should be eating the cost to do this massive repair with a bill that totalled over $1,800 which the customer was stuck with, even though the seal had been “replaced” twice under warranty. Even the fact that some dealers are refusing to take 3rd Gens in on trade-ins is appalling if true. The reality is that the CEO just got a $10M salary boost in the midst of this recall plus all the other issues surrounding Toyota presently. There has definitely been a mind shift there, and the real question will be whether Toyota returns to be the company that built its’ reputation on quality or not. This is really a true turning point for them IMHO.

 

I've been a loyal Toyota fan and just retired as a tech. Love everything about them. In the last 10 years there has definitely been a change in the North American market. The quality of the product has deminished. My wife had a 2015 Camry and it was a great vehicle and had very few issues. When it came time to replace it we bought a 2024 Ford Maverick hybrid for its practically and MPG. It's has not been disappointing. Great MPG @ 60mpg in the city, very good payload @ 1500lbs and no issues. Makes you start to wondering about other offering from other manufactures. When it comes time to replace my 2016 Tundra it's going to come down to how Toyota will handle this recall. If Toyota does the right thing with a complete assembly then it will likely be a new Tundra but I'll also be looking at the new RAM with the Huricane motor if it turns out to be a reliable truck and its initial quality is better.

 

I was very surprised he bought the Tundra but can see the reason. He owns a Toyota repair facility and this gives him first hand experience with the product. In the video he comments on the poor quality of the Tundra and points out they still haven't fixed the weather seal gap on the back door, then poor paint quality of the front grill and the wind noise from the driver's door. These were issues when the Tundra first came out and should have been taken care of by now two years later. Toyota NA managers need to go back to Japan to learn how to build a proper quality vehicle. My in-laws just purchased a new Venza last fall which is built in Japan and the build quality is exceptional.

Also surprised me that it's almost sounded as if he was going to repair the truck himself rather than take it to the dealership. He mentioned they would get a new short block and do the repair. He's probably thinking it will make a great video for his YouTube channel.