If I buy the 2021 instead of 2022, will the 5.7 litre be worthless in 10 years?

Unless we build nuke powerplants we can't leave petroleum and coal in the rear view mirror.

 

I had a 1987 F150 351 HO. It had a Holly double pumper and Eldobrock intake.. I got 13 MPG on highway keeping it under 70. One day on a flat stretch of interstate I opened it up and ran close to 100 for several miles. The truck had double 19 gallon tanks but the gauge was small. I saw the gauge drop.

 

Breakdown:

• There is more oil/fuel in this "rock" than the politicians and OPEC want you to believe. We will not even come close to using all of it before our collective demise. Getting to it is the issue, and that will be resolved eventually due to the almighty $.
• Pollution tech is better than ever for mitigating fossil fuel issues and will only keep getting better.
• Due to the above, hybrid/EV tech will not be replacing fossil fuels anytime soon. This tech will take a long time to develop into a more efficient/eco-friendly solution (if ever; some newer discovery could always pull the rug out from under it).
• Trying to anticipate the future is futile. Use what facts you have and proceed.

 

Hoping they will bring a V8 back with the 10 speed at the 2025 refresh

 

Plastics are made from petroleum, so even if it's not fuel, we still use it.

 

you couldnt have been farther off if you described me as the original poatr

I made this post and you couldnt have been more wrong if you said "It was Colonel Mustard in the Library with the Candlestick" LOL . I didnt go to College either. I did a Diesel ,Machinist and Millwright apprenticeships instead. I am North of 50 years old and work in the Canadian Oilsands ,Our plant alone has a 50 year supply of oil so I am not worried about it drying up .None the less the price at the pump is going up and up .It cost us less than $9 to make a barrel of oil yet we where paying $1.79 litre ($6.80 us gallon a the pump ) about 50 cents a mile We dont have enough infrastructure to implement this Electric Car pipe dream. So I am sure Gas will be around way longer than I am . Its just as prices rise , differences in the fuel/money consumption between the v6-v8 will spread. Wages arent going up. In fact wages have been on the steady decline in the oil field for the 7 years I have been here. $10 a gallon oil isn't far off in Canada anyway .

 

What does your wife's Hylander have to do with my comment. Buy all the Hybrids you want.
In my opinion, the Hybrid is an attempt to gain market share until the battery thing goes one way or another.
No one is going to come out with a line of cars because they "think" people will like them.
It's a hedge bet by the mfgs. If a person can develop an ICE that gives you lots of power and 36 mph which isn't hard at all, why would you add levels of complexity, weight, to get 36 mpg?
If your one of those "green weenies" who believes anything the feds tell you, you probably could be persuaded to.
But honestly, when have the Feds every been right? and not lying about separating you from your money.
In lots of peeps opinions, this Global Climate change, (noticed how they dropped the warming thing?) is one of the biggest lies in human history.
Even today, I just read we got four or five feet of snow up in Tahoe from this nice tropical storm that's going through.
Go find a good psychic and ask them if the government is lying about this stuff, you will be shocked.

 

If you look at battery technology over the last 50 years, it is a joke. Today's advancements in Lithium still can't produce capacities that are weight effective and less costly than a good ICE.
And one thing they all side step when questioned is battery disposal and it's environment hit, which is a ton worse than C02.
They all say "we have this we believe is what we'll do" but the simple fact is that if you do your homework, it's ten times worse to get rid of spent battery cells and they cannot recover enough raw materials to make it worth it.
They push this issue because of MONEY. MONEY they can make NOW from you and breaks from the FEDs who are getting their pockets lined by lobbyists who roam the halls of DC like cockroaches.
Most Americans are lazy; lazy in the fact that they want to be spoon fed on what to do, what to think, etc.
If you love your kids, grand kids, your country, you would seek out all the info on crap like this you could to see the TRUTH on what goes on.
You will be shocked, embarrassed and mad.
(Getting off soap box) I love this country and how it came to be; getting kicked out of Europe then getting taxed from Europe when they found out we had it better than them.
Only the players have changed, not the narrative. They still lie to separate you from your hard earned money.
Buy what you want but remember, ASSUMING or to ASSUME means to make an ASS out of U and ME.
Do your family lineage a favor and study this crap up till you know all it's aspects, not taking word from people who don't care if they lie to you or not.

 

I think you guys are confusing too many factors in together. I honestly don't understand what our oil supply has to do with anything. If gas prices get pushed up due to taxes, consumers are buying electric cars. It's a simple as that. Go back to your econ 101 classes. Demand and Supply don't matter when there's a price floor. At that point, supply of oil doesn't matter. We had a strong supply of horses. It didn't stop Henry Ford.

I've been on this forum for a few weeks and the theme that you guys always come back to is reliability. I don't understand the hostility towards electric. They're more reliable, have less maintenance, quieter, cheaper to run, etc... So far the main reasons not to go electric are range anxiety and.....well the fact that they don't go vroom vroom. I don't understand why a bunch of people who have held on to their V8s this long because of the reliability wouldn't be more excited about electric vehicles. Guys, you've been bashing Toyota endlessly for ditching the V8 and going to a twin turbo v6 with a hybrid motor in the bell housing for being too complicated and less reliable. You know how to remedy all this? Buy an electric truck. I'm serious. The best part of all this? Toyota has already shown us they're willing to pipe in the noise to make you feel comfortable and trick you into thinking you're driving a V8!

I'd honestly prefer an electric truck at this point. I love the Rivian but it was just too expensive for me. If the Lightning had a 500 mile range, and if the higher trims were more affordable, I think I would have gone that route. Will both those things happen in the next 5 years? Absolutely. I'm in line for a hybrid despite the fact that I know it's hopelessly more complex, and all to get 5 MPG more. It hardly seems worth it. Put an electric drivetrain in the TNGA-F platform, make it go 500 miles and I'll gladly sell my 2022. Done deal.

I believe in global warming, but lets put that aside for a second. Let's put on our tin foil hats and assume it's a big conspiracy and completely made up. In the next 5 years, you'll be able to buy an electric pick up that is better in every conceivable way. You will receive a tax credit, you will get a truck that's more reliable, better off road, better in snow, cheaper to operate, has less maintenance, etc... what's the downside? You played into some global conspiracy and took a handout from the government? I'll take that tradeoff any day of the week.

 

https://insideevs.com/news/525965/tesla-battery-recycling-no-waste/

edit: I believe in the free market. If Lithium continues to be this expensive to mine, you can bet you're going to see more programs like this. This is proof of concept. In the next 5 years, they'll all be doing it.

 

I think you should ask yourself the question, "If fuel prices are up high enough to render my 2021 worthless, what would the resale on a 2022 be?" I think it would be better, but probably not by much.

 

Hemp and corn oil. It's the future.

 

I don't think it will be worthless, but I don't think there will be a huge demand for it either like many people on here think there will be. Once people start driving the tt they will realize that it is just as good if not better than the v8 and most people won't be searching out a v8 to pay big money on. The same thing was said when Ford came out with the Ecoboost and now, most people prefer the Ecoboost over the v8.

 

Then go buy some beachfront property in Nebraska smartass.
You make your own assumptions and expect others to view it as fact on here?
I disagree.
Fuel pricing was low when Trump out produced the other countries and sold to other countries.
They begged Trump to slow production but he refused. The result was American oil industry revenue grew and the Opeckers dropping prices to compete.
Nothing to do with taxes. It has everything to do with "other agendas" Trump was aware of and understood their narratives.
Nothing to do with Eco 101, dude. Everything to do with politics.
Question? is your middle name "Shill"?

 

-Just out of curiosity, how am I a smartass? I thought the assumption here was that gas prices were going to be elevated because the government was voluntarily going to raise taxes on gas.

I was using the following hypothetical:

I thought the assumption in this thread was that gas prices are inevitably going up, and what effect is that going to have on the resale value of a 5.7 liter Tundra? No?

-Nope, I was using someone else's hypothetical and using it in my scenario.

Actually, if you increase supply and demand stays constant, it literally has everything to do with econ 101. That was basically the entire point of the course.

 

Sorry but the President of the US has no control over oil production nor any manufacturing in the USA. He may make you believe that, but it is not true. That is only true in Communist Dictatorships.
Sure, he can implement Tariffs on imports (which he did) but those were just more taxes on the consumer which is helping with the inflation.

 

This debate will be more more entertaining if you assume he does...

 

Wasn't oil prices low because OPEC was over producing in order to drive prices down to drive a lot of the fracing companies out of business. OPEC is able to produce oil much cheaper than the frackers so they were still profitable while the fracing companies stopped producing.
I will say that the current administration has no desire to try and help gas prices stay low and some of the futures are going up because of their policies compared to Trump, but OPEC still drives most of the oil prices.

 

Your smartass "tinfoil hat" comment totally make you a smartass.
You are not allowed to make "assumptions" little man as it plays to your narrative in the point you seem to be pushing on everyone.
Presidential policy "does" move pricing of goods as any idiot should see today with "Uncle Joe's" wandering ideas.
Read the thread title one more time and lets see if you can figure it out. I have confidence you will eventually.
It's plain to see you're trying to steal this thread but, you're not going to.
V8 ICEs will be relevant 10 years from now because fossil fuels will be relevant 10 years from now.
IF you ever decided to do some DD on why Electric vehicles, you would see that the current cabinet is armpit deep in financial "involvements" that could make them billions in the industry.
BTW they have had this in their "financial" planning way before they "took" the office. Lack of infrastructure aside, getting pure electrical energy to all parts of the world today is tremendously more expensive than trucking fossil fuels.
We are tens of years away from an effective application of an alternative energy source that can be world supported without (climate issues)
Like the others, you ignore the truth and only paint the shiny pictures that your socialistic eye wants to see.

 

Limiting new oil and gas exploration, cancelling pipe lines, and foreign policy decisions that change the status quo in the middle east have a direct impact on fuel prices here.

 

I want to start with this.

A)I'm a registered republican. I grew up working on republican congressional campaigns. If you'd like to know which ones, I'd be happy to go into that in more detail.
https://voterrecords.com/voter/7605829/matthew-hinkle

B) I don't know how shiny the picture is when you live in a place that will be uninhabitable if we don't make the conversion to electric. I guess that's just a narrative I'm trying to push though.

C) Why is someone that disagrees with you a socialist?

-What is my point? What is my assumption? That electric vehicles aren't going to be that bad? This is what has you all hot and bothered? You assumed I was a socialist. I assumed you're a crazy person. I guess we're even.

- I think you're giving the man entirely too much credit. Can you tell me what laws Biden signed into law that directly affected the pricing of goods? You going to argue that giving stimulus checks to people caused inflation?

-My friend, you're the one writing several posts about our energy policy, OPEC, Ronald Reagan and bicycle tires. I think you're the one that strayed. Maybe you should reread the title, because I'm the only person in since page 1 to reference the to original poster directly in two days.

-What am I stealing? Your insufferable babbling about Trump and OPEC? You can have it.

A) I'm allowed to disagree with you. If you have a problem with that, the internet is not the place for you. If you can't handle the debate, let me know and I'll stop.
B) How are you defining relevant? Will they exist? Sure. Will there be electric cars that outperform them in most metrics? There already are, so, I'm not really sure I understand your point.

And I'm sure Rex Tillerson no longer had a vested interest in Exxon when he took over as Secretary of State. This is the game that's being played. Why do you think you're the only person here that understands how it's being played?

-I'm sure they did. It's a political agenda, just like tax cuts. These things are normally decided years in advance. I'm not sure why you're threatened by this. The writing was pretty much on the wall that this was coming when Obama gave people a $7500 tax cut for EVs.

- Where did I say ban ICE vehicles worldwide? I didn't. My only point throughout all this was that I think Electric Vehicles are going to be better than you think. Why you're extrapolating my political party, beliefs, or anything else about me when all I was saying was "hey guys, electric trucks could be pretty cool" is really baffling. I'm not even saying ban ICE vehicles in the US. I'm saying build the best EVs we can and let them compete on the open market. People will switch. For most consumers, they're a better choice.

My point is, and always has been, I think Electric Vehicles are going to be better than you think. And even if Global Warming is a total hoax, look at the spec sheet for a Rivian. Tell me what bothers you about the engineering here. Tell me what has you so upset about the numbers. Tell me what is so wrong about an EV. Tell me what your 5.7 Twin Turbo V8 with variable displacement from a few pages ago has that a Rivian doesn't.

I don't care how in the pocket of these companies DC is. You're missing the point. Take away the rhetoric. Take away your preconceived notions.

What is so wrong about this as a piece of engineering? https://rivian.com/r1t

 

Gas is high as hell right now but people still want our v8s

 

not so sure about that, how much taller can you go with a gasser in the highest gear right now?

I bet this newer engine is more efficient

that said, I would still of rather had a next generation 6.2 V8 iForce

 

EV technology is the future whether we like it or not. However there are some HUGE hurdles they have yet to even address.

1.) when these cars start getting totaled or are too costly to fix, there is no environmental safe way to dispose of them yet. But yet everyone is jumping in head first like the building is on fire.

2.) the infrastructure simply can not handle it YET

3.) what is the US going to do to produce this insane amount of electricity??

The V8’s got life left in them…how long don’t really know…it all depends on how they address 1 through 3

The President does not directly control the gas prices or the production of however the President’s policies and executive orders has a PROFOUND effect on said gas prices/production. Therefore indirectly or if calculated, then directly, changes gas prices/production.

 

I agree with everything you wrote. Do I think these are small problems that will be fixed in time? Absolutely. Do I think the increased demand for electric cars will dictate that it gets fixed sooner rather than later? Yes.

I don't disagree with what you're saying about the president. Saying that he's the sole person who dictates oil prices is insane, and the freeze we had last year with the Texas refineries shutting down is an example of such.

 

Agreed.

I’m planning on keeping my ‘21 and eating whatever the yearly fuel difference ends up being between a ‘21 and a ‘22, especially since my ‘21 is close to paid off. Buying a second electric vehicle or a fuel efficient beater for daily driving doesn’t make any sense for me at this point.

Just like it taking X number of miles or years for myself to start seeing any return on trading in a nearly paid off truck on a newer model that is allegedly 30% more efficient, I think the world as a whole will take a very long time to see any real benefit to switching to electric, especially if we’re still burning fossil fuels to produce electric cars and to power their grid.

I read somewhere a while back that consumer vehicle emissions account for less than 3% of total fossil fuel emissions worldwide. That’s less than the typical statistical margin of error, which shows me those who are pushing for the switch are into it for other reasons.

 

Tundra is going in a wrong direction.
Gear down not up.

I would only trade my V8 with a 5 spd manual V8. 6-spd auto ain't bad either since I drive in S %90 of the time and avoid 6th unless doing 65mph+ and flat and no load. I likes me high(er) rpm.

 

I was thinking 8 liter straight 6 cylinder toyota turbo diesel