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Grand Highlander. AKA Sequoia killer.

Discussion in 'General Sequoia Discussion' started by 1UP, Feb 9, 2023.

  1. Feb 16, 2023 at 8:10 AM
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    You didn't try a S/C it before getting rid of it?
     
  2. Feb 16, 2023 at 9:01 AM
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    Thought about it long and hard, read a bunch, and watched a ton of videos on it.

    My wife never drove it (she preferred my Tundra), I drive my work truck the majority of the time, which meant the 4R collected dust. Thought about putting it up on Turo actually.

    But figured if a rig was gonna collect dust, then it was gonna be what I wanted. So for the money to SC the 4R, I sold it for basically what I bought it for and got another Jeep SRT.

    I sold my beloved 2014 Jeep SRT (had it for 7 years) and her Camry for her Pro 4R when we got married. Missed my Jeep bad ever since. So when she said she preferred the Tundra, took the opportunity to fix my sellers remorse issue.
     
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  3. Feb 16, 2023 at 9:10 AM
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    Which is my problem with the 4R. It doesnt do anything exceptionally well except go offroad. It doesnt handle well onroad, it doesnt get good MPG, its interior space is mediocre, etc.

    But if I were buying a truck just to go offroad i would be looking close at a Wrangler or Bronco.

    I bought my GX because it can offroad but the V8 enables it to tow reasonably well too. Other than that its just kind of a jack-of-all-trades, master of none. I would way rather have a a low rent LC200 or 300 that does everything my GX does but better.
     
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  4. Feb 16, 2023 at 9:54 AM
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    Makes sense. You want what ya want. I still dream of picking back up another E46 M3 now that I don't need it as a DD.

    Getting a 392 Wrangler in a month, so that's the closest experience I'll have to a Jeep SRT.
     
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  5. Feb 16, 2023 at 12:06 PM
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    That thing should be a hoot.

    A 392 Gladiator would be awesome.
     
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  6. Feb 17, 2023 at 11:38 AM
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    I don't see the new GH as a Sequoia killer. There is absolutely no way it has the versatility in adverse conditions like deep snow, sand, mud like a 4WD Sequoia especially one with the TRDOR package.

    As Coaldragger said the minivans and CUV's are the money makers right now and the GH is a good addition to the lineup. Yota keeping the Sequoia in the lineup is a good thing, it's a shame they botched the cargo area
     
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  7. Feb 17, 2023 at 11:43 AM
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    It's a sporty minivan with a hybrid performance option. I like it for my wife.
     
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  8. Feb 17, 2023 at 11:45 AM
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    GTFO with Sequoia killer. No one that wants a real offroad capability will buy that.
     
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  9. Feb 17, 2023 at 1:13 PM
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    Function before sparkle.
    Exactly my thought. Although my wife’s response was “I love my Pilot - don’t even think about changing it”.
     
  10. Feb 17, 2023 at 3:17 PM
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    You are also talking about a very small portion of a small market.

    Fact is the vast majority of Sequoia buyers were Toyota buyers wanting a comfortable 6+ person family hauler, but didnt want to go with a Sienna. The GH does that better than the new Sequoia, while having better cargo, better MPG, and at a cheaper price.

    Vast majority who want real offroad capability are much more likely looking at the 4R (or Bronco, Wrangler, Tacoma, Gladiator, etc) over a Sequoia anyhow.

    BTW.... the Sequoia in your sig looks to AMAZING
     
  11. Feb 17, 2023 at 3:26 PM
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    The 4R is great, it can't haul like a tree. The rest are to be kind not reliable like a Toyota.

    Thanks! I l love my tree!
     
  12. Feb 17, 2023 at 3:39 PM
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    It is a Sequoia killer from a market share standpoint. I think you may of missed the earlier point made about how 99.9% won't use the Sequoia for its built purpose, instead most will fall in line with the GH purpose.

    New Sequoia is a fail IMO, new GH seems well thought out and executed. Which I think will result in it stealing market share from the Sequoia.
     
  13. Feb 17, 2023 at 3:55 PM
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    There is no equal comparison between a transverse unibody vehicle & a body on frame vehicle. The Sequoia killer based on your logic is the 3d gen Sequoia. I have not been in nor driven one so I can't comment on that.

    Seeing as Toyota already killed the US Land Cruiser I seriously doubt, the Sequoia is next but that is up to the bean counters,
     
  14. Feb 17, 2023 at 9:36 PM
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    Gimme GS (Grand Sequoia)!
     
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    Yeah all my coworkers down in Houston buying FS SUV’s are fording rivers and driving through 4’ of snow.
     
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  16. Feb 18, 2023 at 6:13 PM
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    You still seem to be missing the point. No one except for a select few give a crap about body on frame.

    Toyota made a crappy full size suv with a full suv price tag and mid sized suv interior space.

    Toyota will kill the Sequoia when they sell 10000 a year because they suck and no one wants them. Just like the LC that they made into a crappy luxury suv for $100k.

    I want a Land Cruiser myself but I am the 1% who tows a trailer, offroads, and has kids. They were literally selling like 3500 a year because no one wanted them. Make an SR model for 50k and people might have bought them.
     
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    Sequoia killer?? Nah. Not even close. Every try to fit three wide in mid size SUV? Even three kids on one row? Compared to a fullsize sequoia, it's a laughable affair. Even with the negligible amount of space behind the third row of the new sequoia, there appears to be ZERO space behind the third row of the Grand Highlander. This comparison isn't even close... The grand highlander fills a gap between midsize luxury SUV and fullsize SUV, but it's basically a minivan in SUV clothing.

    As for body on frame, that is an excellent example of why the two aren't in the same class. While people may not care about the body on frame bullet point in the literature, THAT single point is arguable one of the single greatest reasons why fabled land cruisers and underappreciated sequoias are so reliable, tough, and well sorted.

    While the max tow rating of many unibody midsize or 3/4 size SUV's approaches 5k lbs, they are atrocious to tow with. Any enclosed trailer is out of the questions except the smallest Uhaul enclosed. I've spent some seat time in a a Pilot pulling both the aforementioned Uhaul and a cheap single axle cargo trailer rated for all of 1100 lbs. Both experiences were worse than pulling with a crummy old 90's Exploder (of which I've also spent a lot of time in). And, sure, most people buying these SUV's don't spent a lot of time towing, it goes to show how well the vehicle handles a load.

    I would definitely be excited about an extended Gen 3 sequoia, though. For now, my gen 2 is PHENOMENAL and, as far as meeting our needs, destroys the other unibody SUV's we've tried or spent a lot of time in. We must be part of that 1% that does more than get groceries with it.
     
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    This applies generally to modern public: no one gives a crap about cars anymore. That's why 99% of them look and feel the same.
     
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  19. Feb 19, 2023 at 6:28 AM
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    Yall are missing the point. Which is MARKET SHARE. If the Sequoia doesn't sell enough, it like any other car will be sunset. The GH is a Sequoia MARKET SHARE killer.

    The new Sequoia does NOT do 3rd row well. It does NOT do cargo well. Both are primary selling points of a 3rd row SUV. Even a "grand" Sequoia would not save it. The Sequoia does nothing exceptional, and for the 99.9% who need a 3rd row, the GH would do it better.
     
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    I traded a 2014 GX for a 2015 LX for this reason. Way more LX available versus LC and better priced in the certified/used market. LX is a great SUV.
     
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    Which point? The point of this thread (the title is the GH is the Tree killer) or the point that new Sequoia market share will plummet?

    My point is these vehicles are not apples-to-apples comparable. Period.
     
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    True for every point, besides this: "The Sequoia does nothing exceptional". Sequoia used to be phenomenally reliable. I can comfortably sit in all my kids and drive into the wilderness any day, without even thinking if I can make it back. Even those soccer mums who drive it strictly within town line, they do it for a decade+ without much headache.
     
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    I need 3 row seating like I need an ice cold beer at the end of the work day.
     
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    Doesn't Toyota say it's supposed to have more storage than the regular Highlander? :facepalm: The cargo area is the reason my wife has a Pilot instead of a Highlander.
     
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    This is one of the reasons my parents have a Suzuki Grand Vitara instead of a Highlander. (Also the $10k price difference at the time.)
     
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    If Toyota would just nut up and finally make a long wheelbase Sequoia, they could take some market share from the Suburban and Expedition XL.
     
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    Truth. With that market almost solely belonging to GM, I'm amazed they didn't venture into it.

    Jeep entered into the fray. Shame their grand wagoneer is so fugly (IMO).
     
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    Isn't it also 6 figures?
     
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    Yeah they are in 3 trims I think. Top trim is over 100k. Which is same price point as a GMC Denali loaded.

    I'm not willing to gamble on the Chevy 6.2 with their lifter problems. Friend is a Chevy mechanic, even he told me to stay away from them.

    Jeep Grand Wagoneer is too ugly and expensive for me to buy.

    I need a reliable and properly executed 3rd row vehicle with a tow rating of 9 - 10k for a boat. But that doesn't exist yet, so my truck stays in service.

    If it wasn't for the 6.2 problems I think I would of switched to a GMC a few months back.
     
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    We have the 4th Gen hybrid Sienna which we absolutely love. Would have considered the Grand Highlander had it existed at the time. The regular Highlander is simply not a true 3 row vehicle, and the Sequoia is just way too expensive for a kid/family hauler (in my opinion).
     
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