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Fuel For thought ..Fuel cost savings outweigh risk of Turbo engine repair

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by kingspeedy1, Oct 28, 2021.

  1. Oct 28, 2021 at 6:29 PM
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    It is almost comical how much credit people want to give a (very good) car manufacturer, namely Toyota. There were some hiccups and difficult product launches even in Toyota history. But it is your money and your decision to make. I would wait at least a year or two and gather more info on the new one platform before I will write that check.
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    That is unfortunate. The Germans no longer seem to be interested or motivated to produce long lasting vehicles for consumer use. I think they engineer the cars to last to the end of the warranty period and that is it, kind of a planned obsolescence except planned failure prompting customers to get a new car. Part of this can be blamed on Lexus and the LS400 back in the day crushing the Germans on reliability, and build quality; and that is back when M-B and BMW were making the best most reliable cars they could and they were in fact great cars. It’s as if they realized they couldn’t compete price wise with Lexus building quality luxury cars and chose to build more performance oriented cars. So mechanical reliability has taken a back seat to performance potential.
     
  3. Oct 28, 2021 at 6:51 PM
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    Realistically for me, even though I’m ready for a new truck it will be a 2023 or even 2024 model before I likely buy just due to the nature of the current market. So the cool kids who want to pay over sticker can go beta test the new Tundra for me, because finding one at MSRP or under the first 12-18 months will probably be difficult and I have better things to do with my time.
     
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    100% spot on. :rofl:
     
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    LOL. Love how some people want a fuel efficient 6,000lb tank. Not to mention no real numbers other than some reviewers. I remember a time when a certain V6 TT was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread. People jumped on the bandwagon only to fall off because it didn’t meet the hype. Worrying about something that cost so little when the actual product is expensive as hell.
     
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    I learned a long time ago to buy what was available. At this point if someone wants a 2022 pickup with a gas V-8 engine then they need to go to Ford, Chevy, or Ram. If they want the most reliable truck being made then one buys a Toyota. Repairs are twice as likely with a Ford, Chevy, or Ram truck as compared to one from Toyota.

    The V-6 is less polluting than a V-8 of the same design and the Toyota engineers need the new engine to be able to meet current and future pollution standards. No problem with turbos if engineered properly. Lots of problems with the Ford V-6 engines with their turbos but none with current diesel engines which all have turbos but they are very reliable.
     
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  8. Nov 3, 2021 at 11:55 AM
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    These posts asking about keeping a car for 10-15 years are always followed by, hey got a great deal I couldn't pass up in two years... Traded the truck in. what mods are a must have for a 2024 Tundra? just starting my journey.
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    That is very true.

    All these guys buying for Toyota reliability, or so they claim and then not keeping the truck past warranty. They have very little credibility in my view.
     
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    There is a reason you don't see gas-turbo heavy duty trucks.
     
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  11. Nov 4, 2021 at 6:37 AM
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    I'm surprised you guys still automatically group turbo engines with lower reliability.
     
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    Having 2 turbine wheels that spin at 100k rpm and 2 housings glowing red after driving @ 80 mph for an hour - none of that adds to reliability.
     
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    I'd be really curious to see internal testing data from the Big 3 on why N/A is the only gas option on HD trucks. Do the manufacturers believe that a turbo gasser wouldn't sell to that market, or do they find them unreliable for their use cases?
     
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    Totally agree on the repairs. This is why I bought a Toyota.

    What’s even more polluting is people trading away vehicles with several years worth of service life left and buying new ones every few years. Imagine if we all actually took care of our vehicles and kept them running as long as possible. Forget the MPG of the new model; look at how many new cars and trucks are made every year. The fact that they are produced at these rates (and all the energy consumed in building them) is the real story.

    Needing to have the latest and greatest, talking ourselves into new purchases every few years <== THIS is doing more for pollution than people driving v8s.
     
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    Absolutely agree. It doesn’t mean manufacturers shouldn’t try to achieve better efficiency standards, and I’m sure at a certain point some of the older vehicles on the road should be cycled out.

    Anyone that ever thought getting a new pickup solely for the fuel savings was operating on flawed logic anyway.
     
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    The B50 life for heavy duty trucks is usually around 300k miles (half will make it, half won't). The B50 life on light duty trucks is around 150k miles. If you really are carrying a load or pulling a trailer, a naturally aspirated engine is more efficient that a forced induction engine. The chief engineer of Ford had a "ask me anything" when discussing the old 6.2L boss and 7.3L godzilla engines. He discussed B50 lifetimes and efficiencies.

    I'm not suggesting that toyota's 3.5TT won't make 300k miles, I have no idea what they designed for but Ford designed a 7.3L NA engine for their new super duties when they could have doubled down on gas turbocharging. You can't deny the flat torque curve of a turbo gas engine yet Ford didn't do it.
     
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    The Godzilla motor is a gem! It's just too bad Ford doesn't know how to tune a transmission.
     
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    I don’t tow anything and usually get 10% better mpg than the sticker due to my style of driving. Never drive in a city, primarily 65mph highway or 45 mph country with a trip through a small town a few times a week. Hopefully you guys are right and with regular oil changes these turbos will last me 20 years.
    I would prefer the 22Tundra based on looks and the latest and greatest but my ultra conservative nature still has me contemplating a 22 4Runner as the last new vehicle I will ever buy. I hate repairs.
     
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    Don’t discount the GX460 as an option. It is also a very reliable vehicle that lasts a long time.
     
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    The extra costs you listed you've already paid on your 2021. OP isn't driving a 2021 but comparing against a 2022 to make a decision. Any taxes, fees, and so forth would be due regardless of the year he picks, so that's a wash really.

    For you to trade doesn't make sense at all to your point, although a lot of members seem to trade up every two years or so.
     
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    I have thought about it but it’s $17,000 more than my max budget will allow.
     
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