EV Concept Truck

I know its not a truck, but you have apparently never drove a model S. That thing is waaaay fun. Flicks around with no effort and will throw your eyes in the back of your skull when you mash the accelerator.

 

Not a Hummer EV fan, but being able to pop a wheelie sounds like fun. Looks like they will not keep this feature on production models....https://electrek.co/2022/01/10/rumor-the-1000-hp-gmc-hummer-ev-popped-wheelies-in-testing/

 

Remember you said this.

 

My son has a model S and they are quick on acceleration.
The damn thing drove us hands off wheel to a Warriors game 70 miles from home.
I understand that. The usage of electrical motors is well understood here. The infrastructure for them is a total joke and will be for years to come.
Electric motors have their usage but, not as power propellants for trucks.
Also, I am going to laugh and laugh when big brother starts pulling the plug on you fools when you don't get your monthly jab or pay some fee for something.
All you kids are going to learn some hard lessons.

 

What? Did you eat paint chips as a kid? I get the first statements but then you just went all anti reality. What hard lesson is your kid learning? Put the tin foil away and let’s have a good discussion. I would like to hear more about what you thought of the s. I agree, there isn’t as much infrastructure in smaller towns. The other thing is, they had to make gas stations at some point. Don’t you think this will catch up? We have the gas stations, I see them starting to add chargers. When most EVs fill up at home, wouldn’t you think that there is room for both?

 

The infrastructure he is referring to is the power grids. Look at California's scheduled (and unscheduled) power outages. Now adding thr load of daily transportation to that and it looks grim for EVs to replace ICE. They have their place, but we are a long way from being able to sustain millions of EVs.

 

This is where it went off the rails. I fully realize there isn’t infrastructure to convert every vehicle today. Just like there wasn’t gas pumps all across America when gasoline motors started coming out. I also realize during power outages, the gas pumps won’t work either…unless there is a backup. I am not going “old man yells at clouds” and ranting about big brother, shots and All of your kids this or that.

 

Man, head on over to the Qanon chat forums with this garbage

 

Religion and politics in one post? Did you read the CoC or the banned memorial thread?

 

Edited, religion not meant- Jesus was meant as in the word, not the religious figure.

 

I want the Alpha Motors Wolf electric truck. Looks like old school 'Yota.

 

Keep taking your blue pills kid.
You're just another sucker.

 

I like the look of the new Frontier overall. But after seeing one up close I am not sure what they did with the hood. They don't so much have a hoodline but more of an overhang on the sides. And I also really like the Tacoma EV concept. Good things coming. Rivian is simply ugly, but sounds like a good platform. Not for me with the tiny bed, however.

 

Hey, that's pretty cool. I didn't read the whole thing but I assume it has it's own built in battery pack, propulsion and brakes? That would be a game changer for towing with EVs. It'll be interesting to see how it interfaces with the tow vehicle. One thing for sure is they will be $$$.

 

I wonder how that $0.31 per KWh at Electrify America compares to other charging options? That is a lot more than the typical residential rate... but then you can't take your house with you.

 

Rivians can pop wheelies in 2wd

 

It's scary to know that people would buy this thing for this reason...
Remember, at last check, no rock or tree was capable of charging up anything.
You're going to have to wrap that thing in night camo to hide it when you sneak into people's yards to charge it.

 

Rivian is building up their charging network. They built some chargers near some trails in Moab.

 

Just thought it was an interesting fact. I need more range than they can currently offer, especially with 5 gallons of gas on board with me. But I still think they're cool

 

Interesting article from market watch in 2020. Says there is about 115k gas stations in the US. I looked at US department of Energy to see how many EV chargers there are and surprisingly it says 46,587. I would have to imagine they are counting each station as one even though they have multiple pumps while on the flip side counting each individual charger. That being said, there were a bit more EV chargers out there than I expected.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/h...how-many-will-there-be-in-10-years-2020-02-16
https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=ELEC&country=US

 

You could be right. Although the other factor could be the many EV charging locations where normal gas pumps don’t exist. Work places, shopping centers, parks, etc.

Edit: I looked at the list in my area where there locations with multiple chargers. Found one that was listed multiple times (two chargers, two entries), and others that were only listed once.

 

Out here, I see them sprinkled among Target stores sometimes. No one ever uses them though.
My son's Tesla knows where to go find one if it needs to. He put a charger into his place and his work has chargers for their guests / employees.
Other than that, in this town of 40,000 peeps, our Target is the ONLY place to charge one of those damn things.
A good number of Lambos, Corvettes, Jags, Mercedes rigs running around though.

 

There are going to be lots of challenges with charging infrastructure for sure. Multi-family buildings... city neighborhoods with unassigned street parking, etc. Even most of our single family homes... how many chargers will you have or need? Imagine having extended family over for a holiday stay with 5 or 6 cars. Then for the commercial charge points on interstate highways you'll need multiples of them to the number of gas pumps multiplied by a factor of how much longer it takes to "fill" a battery as compared to gassing up. In town maybe not quite that many since some will be charging at home and work. Charging rates will get better but hard to see how it can ever rival a gas pump for speed. Then the pricing. I keep wondering how the charging $ rates will be determined and if it turns out we end up paying as much per mile as gasoline... unless we charge at home. But then utilities could slap on fees to support building out the infrastructure. Lot of unknowns going forward. We are going to be living in interesting times.

 

The "hidden infrastructure" goodies no one ever thinks about.
Knowing the Feds like we do, what are the chances they looks at new battery owners as yet another form of tax money input.
You know it's going to happen.
I just read somewhere that battery car interest in the US is floundering compared to Europe.
That's fine with me as they have never been spot on about anything.
People here are waking up to the fact that charging stations, "unique taxing adds", battery disposal are major things no one has answers for.
It's still in it's novelty stage and will be for quite sometime.
In Europe, the train system was picked as it's standard form of people mover so going to Ecars is a little easier to digest.
Here, the train system is not the defacto standard, cars are and Ecar infrastructure is nothing more than someone's wet dream.

 

That's just it. They don't have it figured out but, they're pushing it none the less.
In every society, there's always some who push something on the vast majority for the purpose of personal greed.
They won't talk to you about the negative stuff and anyone who brings it up is chastised for doing it.
You really want to reduce carbon footprints? go after China and India.
They are producing coal based energy plants faster than you can count and they don't care what anyone thinks.
Fossil fuels are in everything including your wife's lipstick, your little water bottle with the drinking gizmo on top, the trim on your Toyota, everything.
It's not going away.
The ICE is an engineering masterpiece and very efficient for what it does and it still can get better.
Make them prove to you that battery cars are better in everyday, then have them show you and sign on the bottom line to us.
No IFs ands or buts allowed.
It's all a money grab and political gas lighting.

 

China being a dictatorship will do it by edict. Not sure how the EU is handling it. The US is kind of unique in that we have both very densely populated areas and other areas that are almost uninhabited. Both present extremely different challenges. Electrification is certainly coming but I don't believe that anyone can yet tell you what it will look like... and the transition will be very messy.

Also, being the cynic that I am, I believe that the main loser in all this will be, as usual, the consumer. We are going to have to suffer through a messy transition where the main activity is corporations figuring out how to game the system to pass along the costs to customers so they can be as profitable as possible. In the end we will have less capable vehicles that cost as much or more to own and operate as gassers. It may be a cost we have to accept and pay to address climate change... that is unless they keep burning coal and other fossil fuels to make the electricity. LOL. But that is a whole other discussion. Interesting times...

 

Climate change is not political. It's a fact. What *will* be political is how influence is used, bought, and sold for corporate profiteering and to game the system along the way.


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Yup, I agree. The govt. needs to establish and supervise the framework for this to play out equitably... i.e., no Enron or monopoly situations. And I am always amazed by the number of abstract anti govt comments or talk about taxes in the abstract when that is usually minor compared to the other private sector manipulations and factors that cost consumers far more. But "the govt" is an easy target to make facile attacks on, I guess.

I would love to have a BEV as a DD. It would be perfect. But not yet for road trips, unless it is a Tesla that has dedicated and under used charging stations...at least for now. As for Trucks, the new Tundra, especially the hybrid, will turn out to be a major improvement in efficiency over the old V-8. I know, I love V8s too, but just can't see myself driving anything that gets 14 MPG. And not just for the cost of fuel.

 

I don't have time to read this now but by strict fuel costs this is simply not the case... unless all or most of your driving is local where you can charge for cheap at home. I just did a comparison using a Mustang Mach E on one of my typical road trips and it came out in a dead tie with my gas guzzling Tacoma. 1050 miles, 50 gallons of gas @ $3.50 in the Tacoma, and 420 KWh charging in the Mach E at $0.41/KWh, which is Electrify America's standard rate. Total cost for each ~ $175. EA has a $0.31/KWh rate for members but that requires a monthly fee which would only be worth paying if you needed to charge away from home regularly. And even that is far more than you pay at home. I know... ICE's have other costs, oil changes and other higher maintenance, in theory. But that mostly goes away when you DIY it like I do.

IMO, the mileage ratings on EVs need to be revised to show cost per mile not this nonsense MPGe or whatever. I believe that people are going to be unpleasantly surprised to find they are paying as much for E fuel as for gas. Or really even more. In my above example same class cars like the standard hybrid RAV 4 or even an ICE CR/V would be far cheaper to drive on that 1050 mile road trip than the Mach E.

Part of the problem is that this is all new. People are used to gas prices so they see $4.00/gallon and say OMG. But that 0.41/KWH, which is at least that bad, gets a shrug. Because they haven't done the math.

Thing is, the new Tundra will do as well as my Tacoma which is equivalent to the Mach E. Again, this just fuel costs. The problem is that we are going to be gouged like this by the companies that run the charging points. You can count on it.

 

I like your real world perspective on that. I agree that if all you do is consumer charging etc that it will be waaaay more expensive. I can tell you my buddy charges his model three at home and also has a honda civic. His partner drives probably about 200 miles a day most days and he says he is saving quite a bit the weeks when his partner drives the tesla (I cannot quantify quite a bit). They have some kinda watt hour meter or something for the charger to figure out what they are putting in the thing. Also their partner also gets paid mileage for the distance traveled, so that calculates into it. He is a super numbers nerd so I don't doubt his research.

I like the idea of some sort of an even playing field calculation for MPG @ a certain cost vs. KWH per Mile at a certain cost and see where that really flushes out. Efficiencies, MPG's, electricity costs all have such a big factor...


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