2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Thanks!
MSRP from the window sticker was $81K CAD(60.5K USD)+tax - but I got it for about $75K ($56K USD) +tax. This is current conversion, at the time it was different

 

For a brand new truck in 2022, that’s pretty good! If I get a F150, it will have to be a powerboost.

 

Yes, the prices went up a lot since I ordered in January.

 

I ordered my Tremor in December, paid $63k (3% under invoice), would be north of 75k MSRP now.

 

@john1062
Yeah the thread morphed into a civil discussion about trucks, truck trading, some Hondas, boats, etc.... 8^0
A crazy Nov 21 - Nov - 22. A year ago I strongly contemplated trading in my truck for a new one.
I buy with cash, and don't have a business or job where I can write off a payment anymore. If a truck was actually available (within a reasonable timeframe) it may have happened. A year later with what is happening, I am holding onto the dry powder, some cheap fixed term mortgage funds, .....and my truck, and waiting for another 20% ($200K) fall in house prices.

Q3 US Sales

 

Glad to hear you liking it. My wife thinks
i’m a weirdo about Propower on board, always making fun of me. Got a full battery of proper extension cords at the ready on the basement but I always act disappointed that in the 8 months since I got that mine the power is always back on before I even make my way down there to grab them.

The more I see Tundras headed down the road the more I think although I wish their owners luck it just wasn’t my cup of tea this time around. Interested to follow through any refresh cycles to see if they can change my mind in 10-15 years when I am a bit into retirement and looking for my last truck.

Do something with the front end, give me back a bit more rear seat utility and get me a decent sized inverter in the hybrid.

 

Interesting piece. Mentions something I think I kind of touched on many many posts ago when deciding between the Tundra and my Powerboost. Interesting to see a professional review put it out there. The Gen2 Tundra chased after the big 3 in a lot of categories trying to match or exceed them and that didn’t translate to a sales advantage. So it seems like this time around they decided with there not being a solid return on that investment that shooting for best in class in a bunch of columns is just not the point anymore.

It changed my specific calculus but in a big picture sort of way when it’s framed like that I guess I can’t actually say it’s a bad business decision. Doesn’t make much financial sense to spend money trying to blow everyone out of the water on every measure again only to keep getting 10-15% of the sales numbers of any of the competition.


https://www.caranddriver.com/review...-1500-vs-2022-toyota-tundra-trd-pro-compared/

 

I guess I didn’t realize even the Pro doesn’t have 4A. That’s one of the features I use the most.

 

I almost got a base Lariat 5.0 but ended up in a 302 High xlt Powerboost package with a part time 4wd system. I gave up on leather (will add) and cooled seats (don’t care) but got nearly everything else I wanted. The full time system is the other thing I miss the most. But with 20 years using part time systems on 2 different trucks not quite enough to give me serious remorse. Just a tinge of regret, but as far as I know the Lariat I wanted was a minimum of a year off. Probably more. The XLT that had 95% of what I wanted showed up on a lot one day when most dealers only had 2-3 XLs and a 85k Platinum or 2 sitting around.

 

The 402A package on the tremor has the High-Lock TCase from the Raptor so I use the 4A most of the time when it rains, honestly just not used to all that power yet, coming from the Taco so I tend to spin without it. I also use it hunting a lot as the places I go are a mix of tarmac, dirt, and fields. So just put it and 4A for the day and forget it.

 

@eharri3 I don’t care anything about leather but wife wanted it. I have to admit I use the cooled seats way more than I thought I would, even this time of year. Never a bad idea getting a little more flow down low. But to your point, I had to wait 8 months to get it exactly how I wanted.

 

By some glitch even though I cancelled and got my deposit back on the Coyote truck I still get emails nearly 8 month later saying no build yet. I’d have probably been seriously screwed by the interest rate changes and used car market easing up.

The one thing I really liked about the 4a system is piece of mind for when the wife had to take it in a blizzard. She’s actually always been good through 3 different trucks about paying attention to how and when to use it. But her having a 4a option would have given me more piece of mind when she had to take it that I don’t have to hammer home when to flip or not flip the switch for the millionth time while she rolls her eyes.

 

I cross shopped tundra, f 150, and gmc sierra. Honestly if I could have found a toyota dealer who wasn't marking up the new tundras 10 to 15k over sticker I probably would have ended up with one. Instead I went with the GMC and so far I am pretty satisfied. I ended up with a 2022 Limited (so non-refreshed interior with "only" an 8" infotainment screen), crewcab, shortbox, 4x4 with the 3.0L duramax that has impressed me in terms of power and economy. Around town stop and go I'm seeing high teens - which is same or better than the tacoma I had. On highway if I keep it at 65 I see 33mpg - at 75mph that drops to 28 mpg. I had a trip covering 465 miles - cluster said 27.4 mpg - hand calculated was 29 and I still had a little over a 1/4 tank left. Now I have to see if the reliability is there. Only time will tell with that.

 

My neighbor has that baby Duramax, wasn’t as fun to drive but I really liked it anyway.

 

tundra got beat up there

 

If you really wanted 4Auto its not to much of a pain to swap in the other case. Its pretty much plug n play

 

Again I apologize for such a delay in response!
on the exped note, the issues that are more than extremely common are mainly in 10 speed as of late, it starts out as “gear hunting” then you get extremely harsh shirts (planetary gear 1 and 4 are currently a tsb that ends up ultimately being a new trans) Now the worse part, there is an issue where the it will think it will act as if it needs to go into park and completely lock up! ( I have dealt with exactly 5 and one was a very unfortunate case).

other issues are within the sync system and Ford hasn’t ever got that right.
I have also been doing engine harnesses on a few units that have to be escalated to Ford engineering to where they have used one of my unit as a test subject.

But like you, I am more than shocked about the dinky space in the new sequoia. It is by far the best looking full size but wow Toyota what we’re you thinking!

 

This man speaks the truth unfortunately, the cam phaser recall is an absolute nightmare and Fords so called “updated parts” don’t change a thing.

 

so which one is the most reliable of the motors?

if I had to guess, 5.0 Coyote and then 2.7 with the 3.5 being the less reliable?

 

5.0 consumed oil still .

 

I had concerns about the cylinder deactivation in the newest gen of the 5.0. Couldn't get the 5.0 in the Tremor anyway in 21/22, but I'd still have picked the 3.5 for towing.

 

The 5.0 would be the best option if it didn’t have CD

 

I believe the above issue with the 2.7 is fairly isolated. There is generally high praise for both performance and reliability in the Ford communities.

 

I'm sure it's a great motor if you don't use your truck for truck things but then why have a truck?

 

How do you mean? It has great performance when towing.

 

I heard the 2.7 is a great motor. The coyote is a great motor but too bad they added cylinder deactivation. The 3.5 is good too but since it’s the most popular, we hear the most issues.

 

+1 on the 2.7 track record. One of the More consistently praised options I hear of for overall quality. A bit ridiculous to me when I look at the window sticker of an XLT high or base Lariat package in the 60k range and see it on there, but solid
Nevertheless.

When I was shopping I kept getting excited seeing Lariats and XLT highs that looked like what I wanted only to realize I was looking at a 60k 2.7 truck. Somehow my 302a 158” wb Powerboost sticker came in within just a few grand of a lot of those trucks.

 

Smaller motors may have good or better performance but how long are they going to last. Life is a marathon not a sprint.

My son in law bought a pickup (F150 Limited) because it was the vehicle to get.
Now with a growing family he needs more space and reason he tried to get into a Yukon XL recently but the uncompleted and can't complete Ford recalls stopped him changing over.
fwiw
If they made the New Sequoia full size not midsize - and kept the Auto 4wd from previous gen....I would have considered it.
I would pull out the rear seats and line the inside with something protective and reversible.
Otherwise its going to get trashed with what I put inside. One of my reasons for the pickup.

 

I mean if you are towing constantly, the 2.7 may not be the best choice. But if you are towing constantly, neither is any 1500 a good choice. Most of us are running to and from the office all week and towing our boats on the weekend, and for that the 2.7 is still probably a good choice. Smaller forced induction motors are the future like it or not. That's why the Tundra has a 3.4 now instead of a 5.7.


P.S. I love hearing about your son-in-laws truck and it's recalls. It's Friday and I was getting worried you were going to forget to bring it up this week.

 

Maybe when he stops bitching to me about it. Like his variable mortgage rate.....just saying