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2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by john1062, Dec 3, 2021.

  1. Dec 3, 2021 at 10:43 AM
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    john1062

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    Hi guys, I am new here (from Canada) and looking to purchase my first truck (plan to keep it as long as possible). I am on the fence as I really like the F-150 powerboost package and features but would prefer a Toyota product for the known reliability. I just did a calculation considering interest rates and everything and for a 72 months financed- for a CREW Limited O/R I would have to pay the same amount (around 90K ) as for an F-150 Lariat 502A powerboost with lots of options including the Black Appearance Package and the 7.2KW Onboard power (MSRP is 13K more but I got s quote with some discount). What do you guys think and what would you choose? Is this crazy for the Toyota prices or that is the normal difference based on the theoretical difference in reliability?
     
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    I think one consideration is Toyotas resale value even outside of pandemic circumstances, give it 3-4 years, maybe all this stuff settles, I would bank on Ford/Dodge/Chevy to tank but Toyota to stay static.
     
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    2022 tundra is brand new and has not hit the streets, no one here has any more info than what you can find online and in videos.

    As far as the f150- you should hit up a few of the f150 forums and look over posts, issues encountered, etc.
     
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  4. Dec 3, 2021 at 11:34 AM
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    For sure the resale value is predicted to be better but there is also a small chance for unforeseen issues that are likely to happen for first year completely redesigned models that would drop the value. Looking at lease residual values here in Canada, F-150's are 47-48% after 4 years while Toyota is @ 55%. Big difference
     
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  5. Dec 3, 2021 at 11:45 AM
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    That's what I am doing since few months ago while waiting for Tundra's slowest complete reveal in history :). After reading both forums for a while, Tundra's owners seem to be a bit happier although not sure of the real proportional difference of the issues considering that F-150's are sold 8 times more than Tundras
     
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    While this is true, they are indeed statistically more reliable than F150's even when factoring in the volume differential.
     
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    Joining a couple F-150 Forums is a great idea. Just don't mention you're considering a Tundra!:eek2: If you do, clear all the children from the area who are able to read! I joined a F-150 Forum to ask a simple question about F-150 verses Tundra and had to look up the meanings of several of the names I was called!:devil:
     
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  8. Dec 3, 2021 at 12:07 PM
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    Haha, that's true. Some people there are waiting like vultures to prey on those that dare to consider something else :):). What did you decide to get?
     
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    It all comes down to preference and use for the truck. I don't think the ecoboost is going to a whole lot different than the I force max engine. Toyota is charging 4.99% financing and that's pretty much legal theft in today's market. Interest rates haven't ever been lower.

    You need to choose what's best for your needs.
     
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    I'm in a very similar boat to you. I was gung ho on the Tundra until the unveiling. Ultimately, I think I'm on the fence. For me, I now think the choice is either waiting for the Hybrid or waiting a little bit longer and using my reservation for a Lightning with less luxuries or maybe spending more and getting a Rivian. Granted, we don't know anything for sure until we're able to actually drive it ourselves (feel like I have to put that in so nobody gets butt hurt)... but after going through this endless debut process with Toyota over the summer, I think my perspective changed.
     
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    This is the reason why I bought my 2021, there was enough information to know that the 2021 Truck was a better deal.
     
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    Everyone's different.

    It's not that I think the 2022 Tundra is a bad truck. If I was going to buy an IC truck, it'd probably be my choice and I'd rather have a Gen 3 than a Gen 2. I'm just getting to a point where I think I'd prefer an electric truck, and the Tundra proved to be much more expensive than I thought it would be. (I was one of those people that thought the Toyota would be the low price leader) If my choice is between a $70k 1794 Hybrid and a Rivian or Lightning that has a lower operating cost and I get a $7500 tax credit, the Tundra starts to make less and less sense....
     
  13. Dec 3, 2021 at 1:10 PM
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    For sure it's not the right moment to buy a truck so good luck to you! I think for me I narrowed it down to choosing if to spend the same money for the Powerboost powertrain with better fuel efficiency in the city, Pro Power onboard that I see very useful for Boondocking, lots of other perks like bed scale, adaptive dampeners and few more - versus a predicted superior reliability. I was hoping that the logic will push me toward the Toyota but it doesn't :(
     
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    My take is that if these features are important to you, then the Ford is probably for you. There just seems to be things missing from the Tundra, like a practical way to get in the bed. For the life of me, I don't understand why the generator was left off...someone on here basically said they built one into the back of a Sienna Hybrid.

    I like the idea that the Tundra is basically a land cruiser under the skin, but I came to a realization that I'd just prefer an electric pickup. I don't think the gadgets matter to me as much. If the Hybrid system delivered better mileage and could cruise up to 40 MPH on pure electric...this might be a different conversation. If the Tundra Hybrid 1794 could be had at a cost less than $60k, it would definitely be a different conversation. But for the money, to have a vehicle that I'm going to consider a dinosaur in a few years...it's tough to justify.
     
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    You don't have credit unions up there where you can get a new auto loan? Down here my credit union is offering 1.95% for up to 6 years.
     
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    We do, but usually their loans are pretty expensive. Banks up here don't really compete with each other.
     
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    I also have a deposit for the electric Lightning and Rivian but those trucks are not working for me and my lifestyle, I want to go to Tahoe, and Colorado and Mammoth without having to plan my trip with charging stops and range anxiety. Not to mention towing the camper, how am I supposed to tow a camper that will reduce the EV range by half? How do I plan that charging stop??? It’s just not an option now for me for what I want to do. If you need a city truck and stay relatively close to the grid then by all means EV truck is Awesome. Notice how I did not mention Off Road? How is someone going to Off Road in a EV? Give it 5-10 years and then it will be possible. Just not now in my opinion. Unless I plan on having 2 trucks one for city and one for it’s true intended purpose the EV reservations will be canceled, I’m obviously not buying two vehicles……
     
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    My original plan was to buy the Tundra and then buy an EV commuter car down the road. Just seems like owning two cars is a waste. The towing I'll be doing is boats around Florida. From here to the Keys, here to the Gulf. Electric would be fine. Each person is different.
     
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    I wouldn’t buy either one. I’d get a GMC 2500 AT4 with the 6.2. You’ll have a much more capable truck.
     
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    My only issue with how you laid out the options was "theoretical difference in reliability." There is nothing theoretical about it. It is well documented. As for the decision on which truck to buy, it comes down to where you prioritize the reliability differences.
     
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    I fully agree with you - full electric trucks are not a good option for long trips or towing. They will lose more than half range while towing. And that is when it's new as the battery will lose 4-5% or more every year. Winter or cold driving will further reduce the range. I have an almost 5 years old Volt with 180K km (best vehicle I ever owned) and I tested and observed a lot of scenarios. I give an example let's say a Model Y. Listed range (optional conditions, wind from the back, etc ) 330 miles. When you buy it, they will tell you that it's not good to charge it over 80% - so you are left with 264. Winter comes and let's say you lose 40% and you are left with 160 miles. Add towing to that and you are done fast. And this is with a new battery that will depreciate every year.
     
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    Well I hope you agree that it's a completely new truck and its reliability can only be predicted and nothing is documented about it only historical data from other models. Yes, Toyota has better systems in place than others but still a completely new model with lots of things that can be wrong or not optimal. If you look on Consumer Reports (don't really believe in these reports but I just saw a video about it) the new Tundra dropped few spots in predicted reliability.
    I also forgot to mention the crash test scores - last Tundra model has pretty bad ones - let's hope that the new one will come closer or beat the other trucks.
     
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    I do recognize that the 2022 Tundra is a new design, and I recognize that there will be issues that Toyota will have to resolve. But Toyota's reputation for reliability extends across their product lines. And thought reliability may drop some when comparing a new design to an older one, it is still much better than any of the domestics.
     
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    It would suck to be in the market for a truck right now without a late model trade in IMO. I looked at comparable F150 and Tundras and it came down to price. The Toyota dealer wanted to sell me a truck more than the Ford dealer. I wouldn't pay a premium for the Tundra, but that's just me.
     
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    What's the score.

    Toyota Tundra 2019-2021 (2 known problems)
    Gmc 1500 Sierra 2019-2021 (31 known problems)
    Chev 1500 Silverado 2019-2021 (54 known problems)
    Ram 1500 2019-2021 (67 known problems)
    Ford F150 2019-2021 (48 known problems)

    Tundra 2019-2021 wins.
    As per carcomplaints.com
     
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    Hmmm. I've already had two recalls on my 2019 and dodged a third because I had LED headlights. I won't go into my other trips to the service department. But I don't file complaints.
     
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    TFLtruck just did an episode where someone drove their Rivian across US towing a 6k trailer and they got / or needed to charge at approximately 100 miles per charge (give or take). That’s way less than 1/2 of the rated EV miles per charge. Check out their video. My opinion is that EVs are fantastic commuting vehicles when they roam around the grid in town. Not so much in a truck format doing truck stuff. In time they will get better and better, probably with the next battery technology jump.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=HmH6j3tDczo&feature=share
     
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    If the new Tundra proves to be as reliable as the last one, then that, but for me, that’s still an unknown.
     

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