2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

They do a pretty good job from the door handles down.

 

Thats a nice looking Ford, like all the color match

I liked when I test one, but the drivetrain was just too clunky for my tastes, otherwise I would likely be driving one

 

Buy a Lightning? It's an F150 without the clunky 10speed

 

Mine was a little clunky at first, but it has smoothed out considerably and seems to continue to get better as it learns.

 

I have no interest in that, way overpriced IMO and the range won't work for my vacations or boat towing.

I tested the powerboost and was blown away at the power, but it was pretty clunky and the transitions weren't refined between the modes.

it was a nice truck, but I liked the tundra better. That said, Im still holding off until they fix all this crap.

 

Mind me asking what you mean by it wasn't refined? I've owned two powerboosts, and both are much much more refined throughout the drivetrain after the 1000 mile transmission learning period. The I-Force Max is the one I would call " not refined" at this point.

 

If you're basing that on a test drive you should reconsider, there is a break-in/learning period.

 

I havent driven the hybrid tundra so I can't compare, I don't have any interest in that from toyota, you don't really gain anything for 3400 bucks and you lose the under seat storage which I want this time. The extra power doesn't really matter to me.

The ford on the other hand, I wouldn't buy a non powerboost, love all the stuff and on board generator, etc. Kinda funny how that works between the two, feels like ford did a much better job on the hybrid option.

What I mean is that it felt like the gas portion, hybrid portion, and transmission were not on the same page nearly enough. like one didnt know what the other was doing. I did note that it was a new truck and didnt have time to learn, but its what I had to go on when I tested them all. I didnt want to take that kinda chance for 70K at the time

 

it may come down to that at this point as I really thought toyota would have the issues worked out by now. Im waiting to see if they get the following bugs out for 2023.

wind noise
rattling in rear window and bed
window seals
gas tank gauge malfunction
trucks dying or lag while accelerating from a stop, like merging into traffic

If they cant get it together I may go back to the Ford for another look, I liked it better than the GMC AT4 6.2 as the seats in that truck were a DEAL killer, awful.

 

My 21 v8 was clunky at 3k miles. It never learned like others had luck with. I have hills between my two spots and if I was coasting down no pedal input, as I would come to a stop it would jerk like I got hit in the back.

same thing if I de-accelerate while between shifts it would clunk hard. I’d love a powerboost platinum but my next f150 is the raptor and I sure hope it ain’t like my 21

 

Regardless of whether or not the locker is needed, I'd like to be able to engage it whenever I want. Winter parking lot shennanigans are better in 2wd with the diff locked. Same with dirt roads.

Forcing the locker in 4Lo only removes all the fun.

 

The lack of onboard wattage pisses me off with the Tundra/Sequoia hybrid. They trotted out the same weak 100W/400W inverter that debuted in the '05 Tacoma. Ford didn't F around, 2.5kW minimum, then a 4kW option, then a 7.2kW option for $700.

 

ya that was a big miss. even the Sienna has 1500 I think

 

And you can get the 2Kw even without the hybrid. It was a $900 option on my Tremor.

 

was that bundled with the floor storage? For my 23 Raptor I had to add that shit for my rear seat foldable storage

 

No. Stand alone option. I didn't want the floor storage thing. Another big reason I went with the F-150 was the huge flat floor back there.

 

yeah the flat floor is nice. I was surprised that the tundra still had the hump. Hell even the full electric and hybrid F150 didn't have a hump.

 

Yeah, and it's very difficult to bump up to 2kW from 400W if you don't have the factory wiring , inverter, and alternator to cover it.

 

I thought $900 was reasonable given the added utility of it. The only thing I was ever able to power with the 400W in my Taco was my wife's breast pump. Having the added power give me tons of possibilities. Now all her friends can run their breast pumps too.

 

Hah hah LOL - we had fraternal twins. I had to hold one on there while she held the other when feeding. If they were awake same time.
which they hardly were

so let me ask you.

If FORD offered a Full Rear Window Down option - would you have selected it ?

 

Haha.

Probably yes, but the small window creates about the same draft through the truck. I like the roll down glass on my wife's 4Runner but honestly we never use it.

 

One other plus for the Ford, being able to play around and make software changes in FORscan is super nice. May not matter to some, but for instance in my Tremor I was able to enable Glare-Free headlights which is an amazing feature. It's disabled in the US due to an antiquated law from the 70's but comes on the high trim Canadian trucks. Also comes on European Fords. That's just one example of changes I've been able to make with a $50 cable and free software.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzeFzQe-oe0

 

Its not about the draft for me. Its about the utility. Which the pickup is.
I had a 4 runner too with a full rear down window before the kids came along.
Could not use it much as the dogs would jump out.
I would take the Rear Window over a flat floor - as long as they make the seats and supports disappear like in the 2nd gen when lifted up.

 

Different strokes for different folks. Only time I need to haul something long enough to need the window, it's thin enough to go through my small window. But the flat floor is great for hauling dogs, boxes etc.

 

But this does makes me wonder about the quality control with the new ones.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/noise-when-back-window-is-down-rattle-and-clinging.110526/

 

Ive had serious concerns with the quality control on the new truck to the point of waiting to buy one. even though its a toyota and they are on average the best for quality and reliability, this is an entirely new truck not a single bolt shared, so Im waiting until I see more fixed for the known issues. I was hoping that would be this year, but it doesnt seem like it, so maybe 2023.

if that still doesn't get it, then I may as well get the Ford and have a ton more features I guess.

 

I love Toyota. I do not love first year Toyotas. I prefer Ford's approach of a slight update/refinement every three years. They don't catch every issue but many of them. It's expensive to retool though, so Toyota just does a ground up refresh ever 7-15 years depending on the vehicle. I also am afraid that Toyota is using cheaper and cheaper materials with every redesign. My third gen 4Runner was super nice, interior quality was top notch, 4th gen slightly less so, and the two 5th gens we have had are just covered in plastic inside. Same thing with the Tacoma. I bought a 2015 after test driving the 2016 for just that reason (and I didn't like the drivetrain). The same could be said about other brands I suppose, but at least with the Ford you keep getting new tech every couple years.

 

Yeah Toyota's approach is fundamentally different. In 15 years the 3rd gen Tundra will probably be close to bulletproof but it will also be 15 years behind.

Also, Toyota didn't make a "game changer" like they were claiming. The truck is only on par with the competition. Its not like 2007 where they kicked everyone in the shorts and then everyone caught up and surpassed them(in some respects) after 5-6 years. They were already starting in the middle of the pack as soon as the 2022 hit the showrooms, so unless they go to more of a Ford/GM type model where they continuously update the truck every 3-4 years then I think its gunna fall really far behind in a short amount of time.

Honestly, my 2014 100k mile F150 is pretty rock solid though as far as interior fit and finish. There really is no squeaks or rattles to speak of except for my kids car seats.

 

My bigges gripes about the F150 besides the transmission is the window dip, lack of digital rearview mirror option, and the 10 foot tall radio antenna. I do wish they had the full roll down window but that'll prob never happen.

I wish Toyota had the 2nd glove box like every other manufacturer. They had the space in the new gen and even the SR5 has a cubby.

 

I always thought the digital review mirror looks kind of cheap and low quality, at least compared to the 12" screen in my dash which gives me rearview and simultaneous 360 view. But maybe I've only seen older ones.