2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

I wouldn't say the Lariat is the F150's luxury trim. It's pretty mid level.

 

Cams and lifters being eaten is a variable displacement problem common to anything with variable displacement, particularly a cam in block engine with pushrod actuated valves. GM has the same problem.

For whatever other faults Chrysler has and has had in the past, they are capable of building engines that don’t suck. At least when they tell their bean counters to sit in the corner and color… which seems to be a rarity.

Hopefully they get this I6 right, because the world needs more I6’s.

 

I also wouldn't call an Infiniti a luxury car.

 

I understand. That's why I said, maybe everyone is realizing its easier to build a reliable 6 cylinder TT that gets good mpg than to try and force a V8 to get good MPG. So far, anyone who has attempted the V8 route has had issues. And those that have not invested in those technologies get terrible MPG's(2nd gen Tundra, Titan, etc).

 

And why is that?
My Infiniti seems to meet the "luxury car" criteria.

Interested to hear your esteemed take on it....

 

Looks like the Grand Wagoneer and Wagoneer will be the first vehicles go get the Hurricane motor. Will be very interested to see how it stacks up with the 6.4L in the Grand Wagoneer.

I’ve been a Jeep SRT owner basically since 2014, and LOVE the 6.4L and 8ZF combo. Have been wanting Ram to put the 6.4L in a half ton, and think it would have blown away the field if they put it into their latest Gen Ram. Perfectly placed between the 5.7L and Hellcat 6.2L.

Having had a 2020 Ram as a work truck the last two years, I am a fan. If they put that hurricane motor into even the current Gen Ram, I’ll buy one yesterday. Couple it with some sort of hybrid like Ford and Toyota, and it will be even more impressive.

 

Ah gotcha.

I do find the claims they’re making a bit on the optimistic side. For example the standard output engine is supposed to make no less than 90% of peak torque from 2350 RPM to 5800 RPM. This number being at least 450ft-lbs, so 405ft-lbs all the way up to 5800 RPM? That’s 447 HP.

Then again if they deliver on that claim their new engine is going to make the iForce look silly in comparison.

 

Most would classify it as semi-luxury. Not knocking the car (although I wouldn't own one), it just is what it is. Sorry to offend you and your tarted up Nissan.

 

One of the biggest knocks against the Wagoneer twins has been fuel mileage so that makes sense.

 

I'm not offended, I love my tarted up Nissan, heck let's call it a shined over Datsun while we're at it.

You'll need to try harder to offend me, showing your own ignorance doesn't do it for me.

 

Psssst, this response shows he got under your skin and that you were, in fact, offended.

 

Yeah that is a lot for a 3.0. Even the Ford 3.0 EB in the Explorer ST and Ranger Raptor are "only" 400hp on 93 octane.

While its not impossible, 450hp out of the non HO truck motor would be significant.

 

haha, I’d love to take an older M56 and turn it into a roaring tire melting sleeper.

 

Trust me, I'm not.
I also get after people for misspelling"breaks" I just gotta stir shit up sometimes.

I know exactly why Nissan's and infiniti's are cheaper than Toyota's and Honda's. No one likes them. It's a good deal for me because I can get the tarted up Nissan cheaper than a tarted up Toyota.

I think being "offended" would have me being defensive or justify my opinion. I just think when someone takes someone's positive vibes and shits on it (hey, BTW that Infiniti you referenced isn't "luxury") I gotta get involved. It's fun. Dude's a jerk and I want some

 

The fact that they havent put the 6.4L in the 1500 is odd. Maybe cause the power difference is not there for the 2500 HD 6.4 and the 5.7 in the 1500, which is what I assume you would get, not the SRT 6.4. Its not like GM's 5.3 and their 6.2 where it has a 65hp and 80 ft-lb advantage.

Or maybe its because they already have pretty low MPG's compared to the competition and don't want to give up more.

 

You know, I was thinking about this, Ford releases their truck in a cool way. With each new generation of F150, they carry over the previous generation engine for a few years.

12th Gen:

2009-2010 had the 5.4L V8

2011 got the 3.5 EB, 5.0 and 6.2

13th gen:

2015-2016 carried through the 1st gen 3.5 and 5.0

2017 got the 2nd gen 3.5 but still had the old 5.0
2018 got the 3rd gen(?) 5.0 and updated 2.7

14th Gen

2021-? Got the same engines as before with slightly bumped power due to the change in the octane they rate them on

The only exceptions are the 2.7 which was released with the 2015 13th gen and the Powerboost with the 2021 14th gen.

This at least helps Ford alternate where there might be issues. They release the new gen but the driveline is "sorted". Then they release the new driveline and it gets "sorted" prior to the next gen. I guess that is the benefit of 6 year cycles.

This is in contrast to Toyota who seems to just release trucks that are ground up new.

 

Almost seems like Ford knows what they are doing. ( except they have not even given me a VIN 3+ months after I've ordered)

 

Well, it's not like any other manufacturer puts a heavy duty truck engine in a 1500. Why would Dodge?

 

I agree they would not drop the HD 6.4 into a half ton, no appreciable gain over the 5.7. But for the life of me I still dont know why they wouldnt drop the SRT 6.4 into a half ton. The motor has proven extremely reliable for a over a decade in Jeep / Durango SRT's, Challenger / Chargers, and now Grand Wagoneer / Wagoneer. I dont think they would be able to enough 475hp / 485tq half tons. Ford and GM sell a ton of higher end trimmed 3.5HO's and 6.2's, and so would RAM.

MPG hit from the 5.7 to the SRT 6.4 is similar to the drop of GM's 5.3 to 6.2, along with all the Hellcat motors they pump out, I dont think they are overly concerned with overall MPG.

 

Also they can use the V6 in a broader range of vehicles across the lineup and across brands.

 

I'm not trying to offend anyone, it's not a luxury car, it's that simple. Most people refer to it as semi or near luxury. I never said they were bad cars or anything, but don't try to pretend it's something that it's not. Heck, I think the 3.5 they have is a great engine, there is a reason Nissan placed it in everything.

It's like a coworker or mine whose husband has a Ford Focus ST, she constantly refers to it as his "race car". I cringe every single time she says that.

 

I’ve always thought of Infiniti as Nissan’s upscale/luxury brand. Just like Lexus for Toyota or Acura for Honda.

 

You and (almost) everyone else...

 

In all honesty what does NOT make them luxury vehicles? I would not compare an Acura, Lexus or Infinity to a Rolls Royce or Bentley but the later two are exotic luxury vehicles. Yes some manufacturers incorporate high performance into luxury but to have a luxury vehicle doesn’t mean it has to keep up with a Ferrari.

 

@nuclear looking down at us from the driver's seat of his Land Cruiser:

 

It's a 5 yr old Toyota, I don't pretend it to be anything it's not.

 

Could probably justify calling it a race car if it was an RS, but not an ST.

 

If you are driving a Tundra he is looking up.
If a Land Cruiser was available in Canada we (wife and I) would have owned one for many years, along with my Tundra.
No interest in the Lexus version.