2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

If it's anything like the 10spd in the HD trucks you may very well not like it. The 1st and 2nd gen Tundras drove soooo well. You really cannot overstate just how great the driving experience of those trucks is. I took it for granted till i got the HD.

 

Trd off-road on any trim…


I said package vs trim… but in that note all hybrids have been bumped out from spring to summer so it will be a while still for the pros

 

I wonder why that's the case. Last month my wife *finally* decided that she needed a 4Runner, and while there weren't loads available via allocation, she had 4 or 5 to choose from, and picked a 2022 TRD Sport in Lunar Rock. It should be here between 5-10 April.

 

So you’re saying you support the current thing? Whatever is the most popular? That argument sounds like it’s coming from your avatar.

All the features are great. You just can’t truly rely on them. In my newest example above, I guarantee you that the Ford dealer sold him that CPO truck with the issue. In all likelihood, that issue is why that truck was traded in at 35k. Traded in for another Ford…does that seem rational to you?

 

This is exactly why I avoid buying used. Especially anything domestic.

 

Just because something is popular does not mean it's good.

 

I’m late in finding this but this is my build (minus color) so to get 320 range and kW/ 100 mile outs my cost at $0.055 - $0.065 per mile charging at home.

 

Wait a minute…you only save $350/yr in fuel costs vs the average new vehicle? That’s less than $30/month savings.

Good thing it only cost $81,244 after delivery.

 

Case in point:

Crocs
Virtually anything on TV nowadays
Virtually any content on TikTok, SnapChat, Instagram, etc. (Son disagrees. LOL)

 

BUT!

'Better for the environment' or something similar.

By the time the gas savings pay off the differential cost, I'll BE part of the environment. LOL

On a serious note, as with anything, the devil may be in the details. What if the cost of electricity goes up? What about battery replacement costs? What about the reliability of the (your) electric grid?

I could go on...and I'm not saying they're crap. But as of right now you couldn't pay me to own a 100% electric vehicle.

 

McDonalds sells more hamburgers than anyone else but I personally wouldn't eat one if I was starving. Not saying the F150 is a bad truck, just a bad debate point.

 

How so? You likely wouldn't eat lots of unhealthy fast food burgers, not specifically McDonalds. The F-150 and the Tundra are directly competing products, one just outsells the other 10 to 1.

 

I have been considering BEVs and PHEVs for my next daily driver but have concluded the downsides of BEVs are just too great, especially for driving anywhere that requires charging away from your home base. It might be better 10 or 15 years from now but the infrastructure is simply not ready for prime time. So I am leaning towards PHEVs like the RAV 4 Prime or maybe even an X5 45e... or even better if Toyota made a Tacoma PHEV. That would be sweet. I am not sure I am willing to take a chance on BMW reliability however. This English chap has a great review of the X5 PHEV and also discusses a lot of the issues with driving pure BEVs and PHEVs. It's worth a watch... but that steering wheel IS on the wrong side!

 

Love your current avatar!

Counterpoint: Ford trucks outsell others because they become fleet vehicles. I have worked for 2 different city municipal agencies, and both had exclusively Ford vehicles, thousands of them. However, what did the employees own for personal vehicles? Hardly ever a Ford.

I've driven new, current Ford trucks for 15 years. I have spent lots of time with the 2022 2.7EB, 3.5EB and 5.0 Coyote versions.
Driving Ford's is what made me happy to own a Nissan Titan for 14 years. Whereas the Ford's have constant issues, even the newest ones, my Nissan Titan never once gave a single issue outside of maintenance.

After finally getting to check out the new Tundra, just from spending a half hour with it I can tell it's a better machine than a F150. Maybe I'm biased towards Japanese machines, but I'm no Toyota fan boy. I just happened to have 15 years of disappointing experiences with Ford.

 

His avatar: mocking the trend of people supporting whatever is popular. (Honestly, love the avatar)
His argument: “F150s are great because they sell more trucks than everyone else!”

 

I don't know what your bench mark is but just based on my f150 now in the first 5k miles it would be a $950 difference in fuel. And that's 3.5 months of ownership

 

It's a real conundrum.

Kinda like Tesla, certain kinds of people embrace Tesla because it's BEV. Then Elon Musk turns out to be a based troll of many of his customers values!

 

Im in Canada if that makes a difference.

Also I seem to notice a lot of 4runners on the road these days. Way more than I remember seeing a few years ago. Maybe they aren't as affected since they are an older design and also made in Japan (I think)?

 

Haha, point taken. But obviously you understand the difference in mocking the current "wokeness" and picking out a pickup. And for what it's worth I was super excited about the new Tundra, I wanted it to work for my next truck as I have only owned Toyotas for years. Unfortunately it just didn't meet my expectations.

 

I'm just ribbing you. I appreciate other perspectives. And on some fronts, I totally agree about the 3rd gen Tundra. It's no massive leap forward in capability (mostly meaning payload) and seems to have lost that rugged Toyota simplicity that has always made their trucks and SUVs so reliable over the long term.

I really, I mean REALLY, wanted to buy an F250 Tremor with the 7.3L pushrod v8 when they dropped. All my payload concerns would magically disappear. It's the perfect blend of towing and off-roading specs. Every time I hear or read about someone having no issues with theirs in a couple years and hard miles, I still get tempted. It would make my grandpa cry tears of joy, lol. A truck that big would require commuting in something else though. And unfortunately, I'm not made of money. I have investment goals to meet and a nearly paid off truck that I love.

 

I might buy an F150, but not because they sell more than anyone else. It would be because I perceive the utility and value superior to alternatives after weighing what's most important to me. That's not to say people buying an F150 are miguided, solely because it's the top seller. The F150 and the Honda Accord are directly competing products (automotive transportation). But the F150s sales don't make it better than the Accord.

Now take the Quarter Pounder for instance. What is that meat? Is it really from a bovine? A synthetic rubber perhaps?

So if I decided to begin eating Quarter Pounders it could just be that I developed a taste for synthetic rubber.

 

They are cool for sure. Too big for me as well though, and more than I need. The F-150 Tremor checks all the boxes though.

 

Yeah I didn't order my truck because it's popular. I bought it because I wanted the Raptor Transfer case, real leather, flat floor, usable onboard power, front Torsen differential, premium sound system, 3.73 gearing to turn 35's, 360 cameras, and exterior lighting. None of which the Tundra offers.

 

He’s definitely poking the bear there but I find the whole EV industry kinda hypocritical at the moment. EV technology is in it infancy stages but the powers that be want us to believe it’s ready for mainstream America. I do believe it’s GOING to be great but no where near that point.

But back to the hypocrisy…

The environment which I love and adore…honesty. The main aspect they push “save the environment” is BS.

But we need energy (fossil, wind mills, etc) to produce electricity and the reality that we NEED to rely on multiple sources not one source alone such as wind mills…CANT TALK ABOUT THAT

But when these vehicles die or get totaled, what do we do with the acid in the batteries and such …CANT TALK ABOUT IT

In larger applications the range is not up to par especially when weight or cold is added therefore requiring more electricity=more energy. Or in essence making it less efficient than a ICE vehicle in SOME instances…CANT TALK ABOUT THAT

What is the TRUE energy cost analysis vs and ICE vehicle from an independent non manufacturer, NON GOVERNMENTAL source…CANT TALK ABOUT THAT

And the list goes on and on. They all could care two flying S$&ts about the environment because they refuse to answer let alone research the CONs and solutions to those cons of EV. It’s a money grab at the moment and many (not ALL) owners allows themselves that fake fuzzy sense of “doing good” for the environment simply because they choose NOT to the see the reality or haven’t really though the subject out.

I honestly do believe in EV BUT we are a longgggg way off from making it environmentally sound…

 

Isn't it awesome we have so many choices? Seriously. I don't care about any of that stuff except leather and I can add Katzkin aftermarket. And yet we are both looking at "competing products" among the same brand.

Many on the forums consider SUVs and open bed trucks competing products. They're torn between which to choose. For me it's easy.

What is an SUV? To me it's the modern day equivalent of the station wagon. The genius auto marketers just gave it a cool new name and made it much bigger and capable of running over curbs at the supermarket without sustaining extensive damage. There's nothing wrong with an SUV, I just don't have any use for one.

Well, except the Porche Cayenne. I'd take one of those. But I wouldn't try running it over the curb.

 

Ironically leather is the one feature the wife wanted but I didn't, well that and the big ass moonroof. But happy wife, happy life as they say.

 

I couldn't care less about the environmental impact. I do care about the environment but I know these things make a negligible (if that ) difference.

I want the Lightning because it'll be cheaper to operate for my use since I want a truck and hopefully more fun to drive.

After the rebate (if it's still there) it'll be $6k more than the hybrid tundra platinum. And the Lightning gets better *mpg, more HP, more torque, quicker 0-60, more payload (less towing), self driving ability, self parking assist, flat floor in rear, zone lighting, 9.6kW power generator and way more storage.

 

It will no question be more fun to drive.

 

I only put that because all I have to go on is a few handful of journalists, and sigh, Biden, to get feedback on performance lol. But if it's in the low to mid 4 seconds 0-60, that's all I need!

 

The nice thing for EV owners is the increased cost of electricity sources and transmission will be socialized across all users of electricity regardless of what you drive or even if you ride a bike. And you don't even have to pay fuel taxes to support the roads you are using. EV owners be like...