2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

I’ve read I don’t know how many times on this forum alone where a 2nd gen crewmax owner wished they could also have the 6.5’ bed without giving up the big cab. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve seen someone post that they want a manual Tundra. “No one makes them anymore” doesn’t apply to 6.5’ bed crewmaxes as Toyota just now started offering it.

The Tundra crewmax with a 6.5’ bed—particularly the hybrid models—will be the most stable and powerful towing machine Toyota has ever offered in the North American market. I think it will sell.

 

If you have ever reached for something in the bed but the dropped tailgate was in the way. You still retain the drop down feature. The only thing I can think of is with all the different breaks in the tail gate design allowing for this, the tailgate won't hold as much weight when down. I am assuming this. For this reason I prefer the Honda tailgate design best.

 

The timing chains are for sure fixed. The 1st gen used a single chain the fed both banks. So it went from the crank, up to the passenger cams, down to an idler pulley just above the crank and back up to the drivers side bank. The 2nd gen has one chain for each bank. So the 1st gen essential has 3x as much chain length between the crank and the drivers side bank as a 2nd gen, and it was always the drives side bank that gave issues. Basically, since the chain is ~3x longer, the chain can only experience 1/3 the wear in each link before it becomes an issue. If you have a chain with 300 links and each one wears .01mm, you get 3mm of chain "stretch". If you have a chain with 100 links and get the same .01mm wear you only have 1mm of length change.

And yes, API also included chain wear specific testing into the latest API SP standard and I believe the test bed that they used for developing it was the 3.5L Ecoboost as far as I know. So running a modern API SP rated oil should hopefully be a decent upgrade from the API SN oils that were available when the 3.5L debuted in 2011.

And yes. Borg Warner designed and produced the phasers for the 2nd gen. It would be like Mitsubishi or IHI manufacturing the turbos for the Tundra and those having wastegate issues.

 

Time will tell. The manual comment is one we see everywhere lamenting the death of manual transmissions, that no one bought anymore. What we see as configurations available mimics what people are buying, not what they say they want on Internet forums. The people will speak on the 6.5’ bed option. We’ll see if they put their money where their mouths are.

 

It also lets you use the bumper to step up into the bed.

 

Agreed, time will tell. And half the reason they may be offering it is so they can use the longer frame to also offer a Sequoia XL. That’s what I’m really hoping for.

 

LOL... manuals in a new Tundra. Doesn't take a genius to know that's never gonna happen for the 3 people who want them. Tundras are now luxoboats and towing machines. Both uses are best with autos trans. IMO manuals are best for sports cars, like my 2016 M7 Vette. But GM even went and killed the manual for the C8 Corvettes. Now THAT is a shame.

 

But the perennial problem with Toyota is that you CAN'T put your $ where your mouth for the longer bed is because they just don't put these in inventory. And you also CAN'T order one. So you have to compromise and get a combination that is less than ideal in some way or another. Or just not get one at all. It should be no surprise that short beds outsell the longer bed 10 to 1 when Toyota provides them in that ratio... and every one is sold.

 

yes, almost every auto manufacturer LOL’s, and then groans when people mention they still want a manual. But people still clamor for them and complain when they can’t get one, even though they aren’t buying them.

 

Now’s your chance people! Start buying the longer bed configurations in Mass quantity to send your message to corporate. Or forever be stuck with short, useless truck beds.

 

I say again you pretty much can't. Because the chances you can get one the color and trim you want are miniscule.

 

Same here. I can do an oil change in less time than it takes me to drive to the Ford dealer and back. Its not convenient to have them do it, nor do I want them to do it.

It is probably why i am not so risk adverse. I can turn a wrench. I know how to fix my cars. If something breaks, Ford parts are cheap and I can do it myself.

 

Nonsense. Toyota literally just started offering the 6.5’ bed with the crewmax. As in, for the first time ever, like a month ago. Just because it’s hard to get anything right now and dealers initially ordered that which has historically sold the best when there was no 6.5’ bed crewmax option does not mean they’re going to prevent people from getting one.

If I were looking for a new half ton for towing a midsize travel trailer, a hybrid Tundra would be at the very top of the list, especially one with a longer wheelbase for added stability.

 

Its regional.

Same here in Utah. I would guess somewhere close to 50% of the F150's and GM 1500's are 6.5' beds. My local Ford dealer is pretty small and usually has 10 trucks or less on the lot(in the before times, when life was normal). They always had 3 or so supercrew 6.5' beds.

I bought my current F150 in MA. It was a lot harder to find a Supercrew 6.5' bed there. I had to search pretty hard to find my particular config(supercrew, 6.5', max-tow Lariat.)

It could see it being extremely useful. Especially if you have a Topper or Tounneu cover.

That said, i think Ram and Honda's tailgates are way more useful. The way Ford's only opens in the middle is dumb to me.

The is regional. A lot of people want them depending on where you are. Here in Utah I would say it could be close to a 50/50 split on the F150. There is also an above average amount of Tundras here to though. So I could see them selling a lot of them here.

 

I see an inherent conflict of interest when the establishment that needs to sell new vehicles to existing customers is the same establishment that I use to maintain my current vehicle. Regardless of brand.

 

Except its a free market. If you don't like how your car or dealer have treated you, you move on, and they lose business. They have skin in the game.

 

I don’t think the current model of how we have to buy a new vehicle is necessarily a free market. But that’s another discussion…

Furthermore, the same argument would apply to how they treat you and what they sneak past you during the initial sale. Yet dealerships with absolutely horrible reputations who make a regular practice of screwing people are still thriving.

 

In general, people are pretty ignorant when it comes to cars these days. They just don’t know any better. They are at the mercy of the dealerships and service centers. They don’t do their own maintenance and repairs. They don’t understand how cars work. Most people if you asked them which motor was in their vehicle wouldn’t have a clue. Wouldn’t know how many gears the transmission has. And yet oddly make their decision based on which vehicle wins some metric measured by car and driver.

 

I think I actually just described most auto sales people. Weird.

 

I hope you are correct, but we'll see. I have seen only 2 so far like this out of the 20 or so listed locally, a 1794 and a platinum inbound. But the Platinum one is suspect... you have to dig down into the specs to see the bed size... but the photos, even though the correct color, are of a short bed. So there really is no telling what this is. Could just be incorrect stock photos but who knows. But neither are colors I want anyway.

 

Cause people are dumb. If someone wants to pay a $10,000 markup on a XLT F150, all the power to them and I don't blame the dealer one bit. I bought my Lexus for $21000 in Feb of 2020. I could turn around and sell it for probably $28000 right now, and you can bet your left kidney that I would take every single one of those 28000 dollars.

They only downside is it makes it harder for the rest of us to get good prices but I still don't blame them.

 

Haha wow! Yes, people are dumb but that doesn’t mean lying to them, stuffing hidden fees or options that the dealer claims are mandatory into their purchase price, or changing numbers once the buyer gets back to financing is right or fair. There’s a difference between this and an ADM that is there for everyone to see, and I absolutely do blame dealers who pull this shit. It’s a total lack of integrity, and this industry is rife with it. Every single one of them who does this should go out of business. But they took care of that legally long ago when they lobbied to make it mandatory for you to go through them when you want to buy a new vehicle.

 

How is that any different than someone thinking all Tundras have a 1900 lb payload capacity because thats what Toyota says, and then they go and buy a Capstone and realize a month later that its 1400 lbs. If they had spent 5 minutes researching, or paying attention, they could have figured it out mighty quick. I can't tell you how many times that has happened on the F150 and then the person is all pissed off.

Same with the fees. They are on the paper work. Its not like they slide it in without you possible ever knowing. Pay attention and don't buy the vehicle from that dealer if they a like that.

 

I told my kids long ago, no such thing as fair. No one gets what they deserve, you get what you negotiate, in all things in life. Be an informed consumer, pay attention to what you are agreeing to. It’s not someone else’s fault if you sign without reviewing. I agree they should not be slipping extras in there after “the deal is done”. But it’s not really done till you sign on the dotted line. No one is forcing you to sign. Take responsibility for your own existence. The one who stands to suffer from all of this is you. So stick up for yourself and pay attention.

 

LOLOLOL 6.5 IS a short bed. 12" more in bed length is nothing. I have a 5.5 bed and works perfect for me (and FITS in my garage) I also have a 14' utility trailer if needed

 

perhaps, but the 5.5’ is the devil!!

 

Perhaps---but a few hundred $ cheaper, looks much better, easier to park/maneuver, AND fits in (most) garages lol. But hey, buy whatever suits your needs. cheers

 

Yeah, f— em’, right? Pull every last trick in the book. If the buyers don’t catch every finely tuned trick the dealers have honed over the years, it’s the buyers’ fault. Haha sucks to be them, right? What a great business model. Good thing we’re forced into it by law if we want to buy new.

Yeah I tell my kids the same thing. I do pay attention. I’ve caught the shit dealers tried to pull past me every single time I’ve walked through their door. One time, the financing guy added $1200 to my amount to pay back and literally physically tried to keep me from seeing it. Whether I caught it or not is irrelevant. That shit should not be happening in the first place. And yes, I am protesting with my dollars by never darkening that place’s door again.

I’m sorry but I don’t share the idea that “everyone who got bent over deserved it because they didn’t pay attention” especially when the entire experience is stacked against the buyer, and dealers have finely tuned their tricks over the years to get past people’s defenses.

 

Agree with all of this totally. And it is looking a little better for us 6.5' bed guys... I just ran the inventory tool on toyota.com for my region. They moved it from where it used be and I thought it was gone. When I ran it there were a fair number of 6.5 beds... very limited in trims and colors but that is to be expected this early in a production run and more choices should become available later as they queue up the line for other trims, colors, etc. and once the turbo issue is resolved. I am actually becoming optimistic. Pretty good when a pessimist becomes optimistic!

The other good thing about the toyota inventory tool is that it includes bed length in the filters, unlike the dealers. Not sure the information will always be as current as the dealers now but as supply improves it can only get better.

 

That’s just the thing. There’s no such thing as “deserve”. And yes, businesses have been fine tuning their practices for a long time and we should all be aware of them and they shouldn’t be happening. But here we are. Get bitter, or get better. Vote with your dollars as you’ve said. Choose. It’s your best superpower.