2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Any particular reason you did not go with V8 5.0 and 3.7 rear axle since you are towing the trailer?

I am surprised you are feeling Tundra trainy drives better.
I tested my friends 2024 XLT 3.5EB and it was way smoother than my 2022 Tundra. Specially in low gears.
My 2022 tends to downshift all the time and makes noises in low speeds every time I want to give a little gas..

 

I'd take the 3.5/3.31 or 3.55 combo for towing over the 5.0/3.73. @nmmike did you look at the Tremor at all? 3.5 and 3.73 combo is amazing for towing and if you like the BAP, it's based on the looks of the Tremor.

 

First of all, I was in a hurry to trade my 2022 Tundra before its value crashed further. So, I checked the local dealers inventory to make my deal ASAP.
My TT weighs only 5500 lbs wet so I wanted to stay with a half ton because I also drive my truck around town quite a bit. My 2024 F150 has towing capacity of 10,400 lbs and Payload of 1800 lbs. Plenty of tow capacity for me and 600 lbs more payload than my Tundra, and I need the extra PL. The F150s I saw with the 5.0 were 2023s and the 2024 has a lot of nice upgrades over the 2023. I like the BAP a lot and think that the truck looks very good with that package. I shopped at 3 dealers and went with the dealer that gave me $44k for the Tundra and $10k off the F150s $66k sticker. The other dealers were $6k more, which is amazing. If I had time, I would have shopped around the SW and not limited my search to Albuquerque. If I get a larger TT, I would seriously consider a 3/4 ton but I don’t see that happening.

 

Because the 3.5L Ecoboost tows like a locomotive compared to the 5.0. Hell I went from a 2014 Ecoboost that only made a measly 420 ft-lbs to this 5.7L/8 speed LX570 and the LX feels like a turd in comparison with the trailer behind it. The new 3.5's are making 500 ft-lbs.

 

this ^

ya, you really cant compare these new boosted motors to the V8 NA anymore when it comes to low RPM high torque

 

I agree that the 3.5 EB tows good, U just have to be sure to lock out the overdrives 9,10 and sometimes 8 when going uphill. And be sure to watch the engine and tranny temps. Plus the 3.5 EB is fun to drive around town in Sport mode. The 5.0 is a good old tech engine, and its main advantage now is that it does not require as much maintenance.

 

I have read that the F150 10 speed goes through a “learning” period and it does seem to be shifting better. It sounds like Ur Tundra tranny is not as good as the one I had. I would consider the F150s Max Tow rear diff once they get the recall for “sheared bolts” fixed.

 

Wouldn't you also have to lock out the overdrive gears when towing with the V8?

 

I just use Tow/Haul and let it do it's thing. I regularly tow 7000 pounds while also at max payload, 200 miles at a time to the beach. It was 100 degrees on the way back in June and trans and engine temps stayed dead center on the gauges. Someone here said Ford massively upsized the intercooler in the EB. With the autostart/stop and cylinder deactivation on the current 5.0, it's getting harder to use that "ol' reliable" argument. But, what added maintenance does the 3.5 require over the 5.0?

 

No idea what the story is but this popped up on Charlotte subreddit this morning.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Charlotte/comments/1ef118d/this_guy_outside_the_toyota_dealership/

 

As crazy as it sounds, but there is a number of different Toyota models sold today that can be justified as lemons.
Crazy times…

totally understand his feelings after spending “market adjustment” bs and getting a lemon..

 

For sure. He could be just some cranky old man too. But the long row of Tundras in the background made for a funny image.

 

The only thing I can think of is the turbo(s). When I was in the medium duty truck field, the narrative changed to the turbo being a wear item with a maintenance interval, which meant replacement, unless it failed due to another failure.

 

The Ecoboost turbos really dont seem to be a failure point. And even if they did fail, they are cheap. I was actually just talking about this the other day and Tasca Ford has the 2023 3.5L turbos for $370 a piece with core.

The Tundra on the other hand, those turbos are $3000 a piece. Its a much bigger deal to have a turbo fail in a Tundra out of warranty.

 

Wow. That is way less than I would have thought. Good if you're a DIY'r but the labor is another story. At least that cost will offset it a bit.

 

It took a long time but through the generations the Ecoboost has gotten pretty buttoned up. Still transmission and electronics questions but the motor has gone through lots of field testing and revision on 13-14 years. I read there used to be oil leak issues with bad fittings that were revised over the generations. Other than that the turbos themselves generally don't just crap the bed.

 

Spark plugs is the only thing that comes to mind, meticulous oil changes to conserve the turbos. Maybe an oil catch can, coz turbos.

 

Interval is 60-100k, inspection at 30k for all engines I think. I'll change mine at 30k, and I do oil at 5k with tire rotation. That stuff is cheap and easy, I never understand why people try to push their oil change intervals. I'm not as sold on the need for a catch can now that they are duel injected, that stuff burns off I think.

 

Not really maintenance but, when towing I lock out overdrives 9 and 10 and watch the engine and tranny temps when going up hill in NM and CO. Temps will go up when going up hill and then drop down when U top out or go down hill. I drive light footed around town and generally the turbos don't get used much then. Debating whether to use full synthetic or blend when I change oil. I might use the blend for a while, then switch to full syn.

2024 F150 XLT 3.5 EB

2024 4Runner ORP

 

No need for it. Ford in 2017, did change it to dual fuel injected to get rid of the carbon build up possibility. Still many 3.5L ecoboost with over 200 and 300 thousand miles on the direct injection only original motors without excessive carbon build up when properly maintained.

 

Which models in their lineup would you consider lemons? Not being sarcastic, I am interested because I will be doing some vigorous car (not truck) shopping very soon to replace one in the household. Hopefully you don't say Corolla Hybrid because I just bought the kid one them a couple of weeks ago....lol

 

That's what I did. Used the Motorcraft Blend for the 1,000 and 5,000 mile changes then swapped to full synth.

 

I like to change the spark plugs preemptively. You can stretch it out to 60 or 100k. But for best engine efficiency and performance I do 30k. Oil I may change at 3k, 5k is cool. But same I like to be kind to my Turbos. Also Fords VVT system relies on clean oil.
Overall you got it down.

 

I have a client who makes fun of me for doing all my own maintenance on my boats and vehicles. But it takes less time to DIY and I know it's done right.

 

Normal summer driving I do 7k on Pennzoil Ultra Platinum. My commute is pretty ideal 25 miles each way of slow highway, so it should be pretty kind to oil. In the winter or if I'm towing more than usual, I do 5k.

I have a friend that does 3k full synthetic with mostly highway driving on a 2016 Coyote V8, which seems excessive. But I think the 10k intervals Ford suggests are pushing it on a twin turbo engine. I figure the 5-7k is a decent balance between the two.

I do engine and cabin air filters every 20k. I'm at 14k so haven't done them yet on this one, but I'm pleased that the cabin one is easier. In the 15-20s you have to pull trim off above the glove box and remove a bunch of screws for another compartment. In the 21+, you just swing the glove box door down and it's totally accessible.

I did spark plugs at 60k on my 2020 3.5, and the gap on the old ones were still within spec. Differential oils also looked good. Transfer case fluid looked awful - dark black and very thin. I had the dealer do the transmission fluid change because that looked like a bear.

 

Oil leaks have not been an issue. The JittyTite fittings they used for the turbo coolant lines could leak.

 

If you did a catch can I would only do the passenger side PCV. The intercooler works as a pretty excellent catch can for the drivers side PCV

 

August already !! 10 months of ownership now ... nothing but smiles. Thanks TOYOTA hands down the best new 1/2 ton on the market.

 

Glad you’re enjoying your Trd pro but let’s not get carried away. Lol

 

I wish I had a 24 instead of a 22. 22 Tundra that will have to wait 12-18 ? Months for a new engine. No towing the TT across the country because it could stop running at any time