2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Honestly, I had a bigger a punchlist than I would have thought from GW. They consider themselves a premium brand, certainly command a premium price. But I had about 30 items on my first warranty visit, and I'll have about 12-15 on my second warranty visit at the one year mark.(see attached) Mostly small stuff but it adds up to be kind of annoying. I should note that my boat was the dealer demo, so some of the scuffs in gelcoat etc probably happened during the 18 hours they used it to demo to customers. But many items are from the factory, I think covid was a catalyst for much of their older, skilled workers to retire. So some of the 21+ boats have had some QC issues.

But overall I'm happy with the boat, layout and performance are great.

 

Wow thats disappointing. GW is known for longevity and quality, Im sure the dealer will get it repaired though. The amount of air voids is concerning, nowhere near as bad as Ive seen on owners groups from much lesser brands. Keep an eye on your powder coated piping, galvanic corrosion is an issue you will want to get covered under warranty if possible.

 

To their credit, they have been pretty willing to work with me to make things right. They actually paint all aluminum instead of PC for that reason I think. Not at durable but much easier to touch up.

 

Im almost amazed that they still build boats with PC pipes and dont have the insulators on the screws. Some of the higher end builders give an option of aluminum or painted, I think painted looks better at first but not after 7-10 years

 

To keep non bias I have to share a 24 raptor update . Granted it’s the only one I’ve seen across the 3rd gen do this

 

First I've seen of something like that, haven't seen that on any '21-'24MY that I'm aware of. Good to be on the look out for.

 

It almost sounds like the other service place Raptor guy sent his truck to left something in the intake on the turbo cold side. It could be contamination as well but replacing both the exhaust and the turbos means something got way too hot.

 

Same. It’s literally the first failure I’ve seen

 

Yeah @Bannerman knows they accidentally added a 1 in front, but still those prices are insane. The dealer I bought my Pro Tundra from, has a new Pro Tacoma for over $73k, thats $7k MORE than I paid for my Tundra in 2022. Absolutely crazytown. Toyota always had higher prices, as does Ford(but would knock off some with rebates), but it used to be that you could trust the reliability of Toyota which would justify a higher cost. I dont see that now.

 

I have a 2018 with a 5.7 V8 me personally I would never get a 2022 or newer Tundra. I don’t care about the bells and whistles I just want it to start and go and be dependable. After all it’s a truck. I don’t want a big screen don’t need heated seats. And definitely not a hybrid they are having a lot of problems with the newer tundras. .why would you change a great engine? 5.7. And the mileage is not bad. I get about 21 on 5he highway. And once got 26. Plus. I’m sure I must have gotten very good gas that time so if they want you to get better mileage,change the gas formula. Forget about dodge or ford and even chevys ( 4 cylinder engines) buy an older tundra 21 or earlier.

 

Respectfully, why would you take the time to comment on this thread comparing two trucks you admittedly have no interest in?

 

lol, shit, man, welcome to a large portion of tundras.com 3rd gen section, just about every thread is crapped up with people who say I hate it and would never own one, but feel the need to shit all over the threads.

 

Just drove the Tundra again on another long trip. Love the truck, she gobbles the miles up like a champ.

Will be driving back home this afternoon, I really enjoy how the truck drives and handles. The power delivery is outstanding, dusted an AT4 6.2 and a Chevy Z71 ( new trucks).
They could believe a “V6” was dusting em.

With the JB4 set to Map3, mixed in with some E85. They don’t stand a chance. All while getting 11 mpg. I sure it’s off, as it does not account for the 35” tires…

 

Damn. At 11mpg you better be dusting everyone with that map3.

 

I got 18.6mpg on a road trip for a beach vacation last week, before calculating in 35'' tires. I'll take it for being a 6k pound brick filled with beach crap and coolers of beverages.

 

I don’t know how accurate it is… I don’t think the ecu accounts for the 35’ tires. Texas speed limit is 80 mph. AZ and NM is 75. Also the E85 gets consumed faster.

But yeah she does run pretty stout. Also get the SB CAI. She’s sound lovely, almost like a diesel. She whistles from Texas to AZ.

Only thing she is carrying is my clothes, wife’s and one of my kiddos. A full size spare/ matching wheel and a Bad Lands 3 ton Jack.

 

ya E85 is total shit as far as MPG

 

Corn gas = Sooner Crap Gas..... so if you have a stored vehicle, boat, engine/s.
I never ever thought I would be buying gas for my car at a marina, but in Ontario, Canada there is no other choice for NO Ethanol gas.
Also - Oil does not stick to Ethanol, so if you use 2 stroke motors ...... just saying

https://www.pure-gas.org/

 

Very true but that corn alcohol is great for turbo motors.

Fun fact:
Ethanol also has a higher thermal efficiency meaning when it does ignite, the temperature of the combustion is lower compared to pump gas. This allows a turbocharged engine to take more boost within a safe operating range without damaging the engine.

https://www.garrettmotion.com/news/newsroom/article/pump-gas-vs-e85-tunable-performance-for-your-turbo-sammit-1-6l-miata-gtx2867r/#:~:text=Ethanol also has a higher,range without damaging the engine.

 

Oof. Marina gas is at least $1.50 more per gallon here. I lug 6 X 6 Gallon VP cans down to the dock every couple weeks to save the $50-70 difference. I still fill up at Marina occasionally because it's an 80 gallon tank, but try to keep it topped off with my cans.

 

I’m not to sure about that. Toyota was always cheaper than the rest because they were simply and not with all of these gadgets. You could get in 2021 trd pro for 43k in Florida brand new. Now you would be lucky to get a limited under 60k

 

Toyota was absolutely cheaper than the rest for the longest time on the top tier models, Limited and up.

For example in 2019, we paid $48k for our brand new Platinum. Even with all the rebates, discounts, etc.... The cheapest a Ford F-150 XLT Lariat 4x4 was $54k we could find.

The domestics then had a much wider price scale of base model $32k up to $70k for a loaded truck. Talking MSRP here.

Toyota ranged at that time of $33k to $55k for Platiium, TRd Pro.

 

More money for Blantons! Which reminds me, I need to pick up a bottle.

 

Thats because Toyota hadn't done anything to the truck since 2007, so it probably wasn't hard for them to keep the price down.

Ford pretty much updates their trucks in some meaningful every 3-4 years. 12th gen started in 2009, in 2011 they had a whole new range of motors(6.2L, 5.0L, 3.5 EB). By 2015 the 13th gen was out and went all aluminum and the 2.7L was added. In 2017 Ford updated the 3.5L EB and added the 10 speed. 2018 we get the 3rd gen 5.0 and 2nd gen 2.7. 2021 we get the 14th gen and the Powerboost and significant updates to the 3.5 and 5.0.

In that same time Toyota updated their headlights

 

My buddy's Lambo used to throw codes on E10 because of low exhaust temperature.

 

Likely why Toyota held the reliability crown until they updated.

 

Ford absolutely stunk up the place with their earnings call this AM. Missed EPS at $.47 vs $.67 forecast. Operating income way down. Stock down 17% which is their worst day since 2009. Why? How could they miss this bad? Inability to forecast or improve warranty expenses from bad quality. They've committed to it improving for 2 years now and it keeps getting worse. $800M higher than Q1 and $700M higher than a year ago.

Quoting from the press release- "The company said its second-quarter warranty costs were $2.3 billion, $800 million higher than the first quarter and $700 million more than a year ago. Ford Blue, the company's internal combustion engine unit, made $1.17 billion before taxes during the quarter, down $1.1 billion from a year earlier"

Stellantis way down too with revenue off 40% QoQ IIRC. They committed to cutting pricing and production pretty much confirming what everyone on the board has been saying. Dealer lots are awash with product.

Ford lots are packed too. Look for them to get bitch slapped on margins as they have to discount more.

 

I mean they are working from designs that have existed for 5+ years. I think its going to take a while to get things turned around if they a fighting with quality issues that go as deep as the fundamental designs. Its almost like they have to wait for the next generation of each vehicle.

I doubt that the quality issues are just because of poor assembly.

But also, the 2024 F150 is supposed to be significantly simplified and has only just come out. Its probably not really affecting the warranty work yet.

 

Not defending Ford (or any manufacture, earning don't mean a hill of beans to me when choosing a vehicle) but comparing this year with the slowing economy/massively increased interest rates to the past 2-3 years years does not seem like a reasonable thing to do.

 

Tell me again what interest rates have to do with Ford's ballooning warranty costs that they continue to go backward on despite forecasting improvement?