2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Not gonna lie miss my full sized rear slider on my 09 a little bit and wish other manufacturers offered the feature. I used it a lot when alone but when the wife and kid were in the truck weather and vehicle speed had to be just right to make everyone OK with it. Dog used to like to peek out there and say hi to people behind me. We called it her window.

Used to make me smile sitting in traffic looking in my rearview watching everybody wave to my Pitt. When a younger pup She once got screamed at while I was stopped for trying to exit through there and walk across the tonneau to go see somebody.

 

Gotcha, well there was so much misinformation in that post if you're not trolling, there is only one other option and as they say, never argue with an Idiot. Respectfully.

 

Being trolled by a Raptor owner on a site for which we all own Tundra's is the definition of trolling.

I still belong to the Raptor forum; I do not go over there talking about my Tundra. Maybe you should check yourself, and the truck you drive- what insecurities about your Ford Raptor makes you want to come over here and post information?

and why don't the owners of this site ban these idiots for if they were on the Raptor forums they would have done been banished to the abyss. Talking crap about trucks we obviously care nothing about then trying to stir the pot with their F150s.

 

Aren't some Toyota dealers not even accepting Tundras for trade in?

 

Yeah, heaven forbid guys use their trucks to do stuff where they might get their shoes dirty.

My brother walked into a GM dealership looking for an SLE double cab with vinyl floors and walked out with an SLT crew cab standard bed with a bunch of high end features.

 

how do I configure an pre-2024 F-150 with heated steering wheel and cooled back seats tho? $65,000 for a vehicle with no heated steering wheel? no way!

I hear they finally took away the $50 credit and started giving massaging seats back to their $80,000 Platinums this year? impressive

where my lay flat seats tho?

 

What's a Powerboost?

 

Ford redesigned the exhaust manifolds. They are now made of stainless steel instead of cast-iron and they incorporate an additional stud. The heads are actually drilled and tapped for 11 studs, but the original manifold only used eight of them. The new manifold uses nine.

if you got the new manifold put on then you should be all set

 

Why not use 11?

 

Ford CEO has stated openly, they are reducing number of parts for reliability improvements, right there they saved a few

 

Your pic above is exactly why *any* truck I own has to have an 8' bed. Sorry but sliding building material into the cab isn't a "feature". See pic of red F-150 earlier. And in 2024 Toyota is the only manufacturer offering a 4 door 1/2 ton with an 8' bed. Go figure.

 

My 2022 has heated steering wheel.

 

I've never had a need for an 8' bed but that is pretty dumb that you can't even option one that way. I wonder if it's because the Big 3 all have 3/4+ ton options. If you really need to do work you are getting one of those anyway?

 

this is the way I think anyway, 1/2 tons can't carry much payload at all (any of them) if your talking Commerical use. I have a transit 350 highroof in the fleet for this reason, it has so much payload you don't even have to think about it, just load it, lol.

That said, I bet there are some guys who carry lighter stuff but that is just longer that would be great for a 8' bed, I think the tundra DC 8' bed would work in that case.

 

Agreed. It seems for Ford and GM to have an 8 foot bed, it needs to be a regular cab for the 1/2 ton. I see the need for a 6.5 foot bed on 1/2 tons but there are diminishing returns after that.

But the vast majority of people that have a need for an 8 foot bed probably have a need for an HD pickup.

If I need to haul something significantly longer than 8 ft, then I would seriously consider just using/renting a trailer.

 

And cooled rear seats?

 

In addition to what others have said, if you want to talk about "utility" I've used my 2,000 watt inverter (non-hybrid) way more times than I have had a need to carry lumber in the cab of my truck. Excluding a useable inverter from the whole line up was also a pretty big miss for Toyota.

 

1) No, just heated. 2) you keep saying cooled, but I think you mean vented. Or am I wrong?

 

My house has all 9' interior doors so the "biggest" thing I've had to haul was a set of double doors with the casing. I looked ridiculous going down the interstate with 7' x 10' doors strapped to my little 5x8 utility trailer.

 

I'm just messing with you.

I actually ordered three F-150s over the past few years, but bailed out each time because they kept de-featuring them. I was on the F-150 Tremors forum with you a bit ago as I had one ordered through Granger that I was going to pick up and drive back to Washington. But I just barely missed the window when they still had the important shit available. Then they de-featured it beyond what I thought was acceptable for a vehicle in that price range.

Since the Tundras weren't being de-featured at all, I pivoted back to that idea and am happy with my choice.

Chances are my next truck will be a Ford. But don't get too excited... it'll likely be the next iteration of the Lightning. Tired of transmissions and brake pedals. Just need a little more oomph in EV towing range which the next few years should bring about.

 

2 motorcycles in the bed, tailgate closed, trailer hooked up.



plus living on an acreage hauling countless sheets of plywood, deck boards, lumber, dump runs etc. Don't haul anything super heavy so my 1700lb payload has been more than adequate.

 

Just curious, what do you tow that a Lightning would be considered? What would the range need to be? I've been Lighting-curious in the past but would need it at least match my current 36 gallon 3.5 performance which is moving a total of 13,000+ pounds 220 miles on a single tank. I think any EV is still a very long way from that unfortunately.

 

What is your total payload in this picture? Between the bikes and the WDH?

 

And if he hates Tundras soooo much why bother being a part of this site?

 

We've got a pretty aerodynamic 20 foot fiberglass trailer. Being in Seattle, there's hundreds of campgrounds within 200 miles. Most places within 100 miles. 90% of the time, assuming I reserved campsites 9 months out with at least 30A hookups (which I do already, which is ridiculous), we'd be able to get to camp and not have to stop once. Especially since we always leave Friday afternoons where we're in traffic for MILES, so we'd get a little "bonus" range out of that.

Full disclosure, one of the F-150s I ordered was a Lightning but I ultimately chickened out on it. We specifically configured our travel trailer to not rely on campsite hookups, since it limits your options and you have to book sites 9 months in advance to secure the ones with electrical. Seemed silly to have a vehicle that depended on hookups then...

But ultimately, this year's camping has proven to me that booking 9 months out has really been advantageous compared to previous years. We've ended up with some absolutely kick-ass campsites, so it's kind of worth it.

Between that and access to more reliable charging networks as the years pass, I think we would have been absolutely fine.

Keep in mind, we already have an EV so that shapes my perspective on the whole ordeal. I'm a born and bred manual transmission V8 Mustang fanatic. My first car was a 1966 Mustang 3 speed that my father and I restored and I've owned multiple, including most recently a 2017 GT350.

But ultimately, the EV driving experience is just so much better in every conceivable way except for range (and sound of course, if that's a big thing for you). It's just one of those things that is really tough to understand until you spend a good amount behind the wheel of one.

It's why I like the iForce-Max so much. It gives you a little bit of that EV driving experience, including the insane off-the-line acceleration that's unmatched in all but the most expensive ICE vehicles.

 

That's a nice set up. Also dig the Diamondback, that's the first accessory I put on all my trucks.

I'm very familiar with EVs performance and agree with you on all points. I'm on the East Coast though and our charging network is not nearly as robust as yours.

 

Yeah, I Diamondback all the things. They're great.



I would certainly never tell someone towing something 13,000 lbs or some of those 35 foot 7,000 lbs trailer that have 100 square feet of frontal surface area that they'd be fine with an EV truck. There's just no way you're getting past those aerodynamics.

It can just feel so archaic sometimes getting back into a gas powered vehicle after driving the EV. Rattly and noisy and delayed response and ugggh I gotta move my foot over to the other pedal?!?! lol

 

Apparently, it has to do with the clamping forces and the pattern that you torque them. But also, you simply can’t get to them all with the way the manifolds are shaped.

Afaik the heads are literally just the heads off of a 3.7L Cyclone v6 and have the same bolt pattern. I’ve heard of guys swapping Ecoboost manifolds and turbos onto their 3.7L V6 Mustangs so the 11 holes is just a relic of that.

Several aftermarket companies have come out with beefed up manifolds that only include 8 stud holes, and they say the same thing about the clamping forces.

but also, it’s not a strength of the stud thing. It’s that the manifold sags under the weight of the turbo and then warps and pops the stud in the rear position.

I ran a set of the aftermarket manifolds on my truck and I use stainless steel studs from ARP and the studs never broke, but the manifold still warped and started to leak

But all this only applies to the 2011-2016 trucks. 2017+ 3.5L have complete redesigned heads and manifolds

 

No effort hardly. The wrap allowed it all to slide in easily and back out. Like the most popular hooker on Sat night. It gets ratcheted down on the back.
They wanted $600 for delivery whether you are buying 20 Steel Roof Panels or 200.
So thats the price of a decent used utiity trailer right there.

Well I did say it was utility and not a feature. fwiw I was looking to buy a DC longer bed model back in '18 but the stupid deal was on this truck. I can't resist a good deal. I have grown to really appreciate the Tundra roll down window. My 4runner with one of those bed extenders that plug into the trailer hitch mount also work great. I intend to remove the Tundra ESP underseat storage and cut out the hard foam that is there to create a truly flat floor. I find I tend to carry bulky items more that need to be out of the weather, so that large Cab works great.
Besides - the turning radius on the long beds is really bad, and I do go into tight trails where it matters to me.

I guess any cars with clutches are even worse then? Whatever happened to the joy of driving - shifting, double clutching as you approach a turn, smelling and hearing the exhaust. My 6 speed manual car is one of the few things left that when I get out of, regardless of my mood going in - I am smiling after.

 

JFC