2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

The difference in cost for replacement parts is a serious consideration for me.

The Ecoboost long block is probably $6k installed:

https://www.oemfordpart.com/oem-par...wJnk9MjAyMiZ0PXBsYXRpbnVtJmU9My01bC12Ni1nYXM=

 

This is what makes me So. Damn. Salty about the new Tundra. 15 years to move the needle.

I look at every Ford door jamb I come across. Most XLT (think SR5 equivalent) in a super crew short bed configuration are 1800+. All it takes to get over 2k is not having a sunroof.

For the 1500 segment turning into do-everything vehicles, meaning haul the family, tow a boat or trailer, commute, weekend projects, general contractor or supervisor work, etc etc etc, it is absolutely wild to me that Toyota debuted their newest version of the biggest truck they make at the back of the pack in terms of load bearing capability.

It was the 2nd biggest complaint behind fuel economy of the 2007-2021 trucks. I am overweight—not by much at all, but still—every single time I do an actual truck thing with my truck and have my family with me. And we’re pretty fit people. Put us in the truck, and I have 600+ lb left to work with.

I know upper trim level guys aren’t missing out on as much because the Ford and GM equivalents have lower payload as well. But I firmly believe that to be competitive, lower trim 1500s should ALL have a 2k+ payload option for a crew cab shortbed with 4wd. I know Toyota wasn’t willing to go full aluminum body, but still this was a huge miss IMO.

 

What I do like about the 2021-2023 F150 is that there was a factory option for lower trims to increase your rear axle weight rating:



The OEM leaf spring pack that had a 4,800 lbs rear axle weight rating was the Heavy Duty Payload Package.

While installing it won't increase your legal weight rating which is on the door jamb stickers, it should improve handling at higher loads with a matched shock.

 

Yeah, a friend's '17 XLT 5.0 is just over 2000 lbs without any special payload packages or anything. My PowerBoost isn't even awful given you lose a good chunk of payload due to the weight of the hybrid battery and it's a pretty loaded Lariat - 1537 lbs.

The 2.7 Fords are low, though. My 2.7 XLT SuperCab was 1485. Start adding much of anything to that and it'll go south really quickly. 2.7 Lariats were often 1100-1200, but you can't get the 2.7 in a Lariat for 2024 onward.

 

Are we talking Reliability or Durability. Two very different things.
I think you are talking about Durability here.
Most that buy new trucks today (last couple years) are most concerned with the inconvenience of having to visit a dealer. They have warranty. Reliability.
How long it will take of their time and do they get a suitable loaner if needed.
They are unloading into a new vehicle before warranty expires. And sooner so their truck has warranty - better resale number.
After warranty expires .......... Durability. @Eurodriver comes to mind. Is he worried? 8^0
I am living the durability thing with both my Toyotas and my wifes Outback after this fall.
My 1996 993...am I worried? You would be surprised at my answer.

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sidenote

The Auto Industry today (including Ford and Toyota) has many Chinese parts suppliers today that were not there even 5 years ago.
In the recent video of the guy opening the TRD lift kit from Toyota $6000 which had many small boxes.
Many of the boxes were labelled China.

Your - USA - "Yellen" said this morning that the world is flooded with artifically cheap products from China.
The reliability of all products that have Chinese input is in question.
Are people concerned. We are a disposal society.
Elephant in the room - the 2nd and 3rd owners of these trucks.

no more coffee for me..

 

My fully loaded Tremor has almost 1600 payload, would be 1700 without sunroof. Still, I wish I had more. I'm close to, if not over, payload on beach trips.

 

The 2.7 is just a lighter duty truck all around afaik. Lighter frame and axle.

If you got the 2.7 payload package it brought up to the base spec of the 5.0 and 3.5 trucks.

I always hated that though because I think the 2.7 is the best all around motor in the F150, or probably the best all around half ton motor.

 

This got me to look at the company provided 1 wheel drive 2020 Chevy Silverado with 2.7l 4 banger turbo, crew cab. 1,852 lbs. of payload via the door label.

 

three things on payload

most who actually weigh their 3rd gen are finding a couple hundred more lbs toyota hide from them. I know, not a ton more but every little bit helps, so weigh your truck. (Bannerman, you may have more than your 1,5xx if ford did the same)

toyota has a very easy path to offer a payload package in the tundra, just give the non-hybrid the same GVWR as the hybrid, and poof you have 400lbs or more right there. call it a payload package or something else grouped in

at least my 2023 platinum gained 200-300 over my 2016 platinum, I can at least get in now and still have 1,000 lbs left. I have not weighed it yet to see if there is more.

 

Agreed. It’s sitting right there for them to offer.

But knowing Toyota, they would do this but pair it with some skid plates and mild ARB appointments, call it the Übertrail Edition, and charge $80k for it.

 

I dont think Ford does the same. My 2014 was within 20 lbs of the of the payload sticker on the CatScale with a full tank of fuel and me not in it.

 

ya, Ford has historically had the magic dust just to get to the max numbers in the market and toyota was always conservative.

just generally speaking of course, I think it was them who got caught years ago rating base truck with no bumpers and other things removed to get the highest numbers in the market, lol.

 

I mean, if I was desperate, I could take the tailgate, running boards and bumper off and pick up some payload.

Instead I threw a 200 lb leer topper on and overloaded my truck most likely.

I plan on pulling the 3rd row seats out of my LX570 to save some weight.

 

I'm at 5840 per CAT Scale, Sticker has weight at 5420 so adding up the bedcover/hitch/tires/gear I think the rated weight from Ford is pretty close.

 

so I bet we are pretty much around the same in the real world then. Although, Im not real sure how our trims compare, I think a platinum F-150 would be the direct comparison

Its plenty for my needs tough, so Im not too concerned with it, plus I have a Transit 350 for my company that I can use if I need serious payload for something, that thing has so much you just load whatever you want and say who cares, lol.

 

Yeah but the coil springs Toyota has in the rear are too soft, carrying close to 1000 pounds in the bed has me sagging a few inches. Love the ride of coil springs but wish they were a little stiffer. TWSS

 

the pro is going to be the worse model for carrying anything since its set-up for off road.

on another note, thats why toyota made the load leveling rear an option on the other trims, its works awesome, 0 squat loaded or towing.

 

oh i know. cant have cake and eat it too. Might have to bite the bullet and get the airbags

 

toyota did a great job on the OEM FWIW. it works nice, I back up, hit the lower button in the cab, it lowers the rear of the truck down, I hitch up, load up, and then fire it up and it raises up perfectly level and stays there.

pretty cool stuff. I guess you can raise it as well under like 18 mph, but Ive never really messed with that.

 

Sport+ is the best drive mode

 

I was talking load leveling deal, but as far as AVS is concerned

I like comfort, normal, and sport+. Never been in eco, even for a second, don't use sport.

I have also discovered tow+ recently, holy smokes, 0 torque management restrictions, it rips when you're in the mood for that.

 

I liked Toyotas settings for their drive modes. Toying crazy. The raptor sport mode was good but they messed with the transmission shift points and I hated it . Had to use the manual levers

 

This F-150 has plenty of drive modes. Eco, normal, sport, slippery. Then several modes for off road, deep snow/ sand, ruts and rock climbing. I used the deep snow/ sand mode in a dry river bed, certain portions get real deep with soft sand then transitions to almost rock crawling, changed modes accordingly . It performed pretty well in unison with the rear locking differential along with the 3.5 Ecoboost.

 

comfort mode on long trips not towing is so nice, rides AWESOME.

100% better than my last truck

 

I can't wait to see the 200,000 mile reviews or does everyone trade them before warranty is up?

 

Ford has a book with the weight of every option - it seems they generate their stickers based on that and are always dead-on or extremely close to it.

As far as I could tell from running scrap a couple times, my 2020 was either exact to the GVWR - payload sticker or not far from it. Haven't had this truck on a scale yet.

Frame's a little thinner and it has the 8.8" axle. Most of the others have the 9.75, though certain 5.0s get the 8.8 as well.

I loved my 2.7 - awesome engine. I'd have another, except even before they dropped it from the Lariat you couldn't get the HD payload past a base XLT.

 

Had to be a trip to some 3rd world country. Probably no payload stickers on those trucks so there are no limits.

 

If you look up the payload on that Hilux it has a 1115 KG payload (2,458 lbs)

 

Ford spent $5B on warranty repairs last year. That's against a pre-tax goal of $10B so ouch. The quality issue continues to be a drain on earnings.
They are releasing 150,000 F150's and Rangers that had shitty SW that left components and drained batteries which then caused other issues. They have updated with less shitty software to release the stop ship. I saw a '23 F150 in front of me that had the flickering light syndrome and it reminded me of the one I had.
The good news in all of this is that as far as I can tell, there are a ton of trucks on Ford lots right now. Ford releases another 150K there should be even better deals.
Each one includes a multi-meter under the rear seat at no charge.

"In recent years, Ford has had a nightmare when it comes to build quality and reliability. The American automaker has faced countless recalls relating to faulty windshields, battery issues and mechanical problems, leading it to top the list of automakers with the most recalls not one, not two but three years running."

 

It also only weighs like 4500 lbs for a crew cab I think. It’s barely heavier than a Tacoma/Ranger.

I really don’t think there is anything special about them the GVWR regulations are just more relaxed.