2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

I would always use a certified scale to confirm steer, drive, and tow axle weights for a 1/2 ton. It's NOT like a 1 ton SRW HD where you can place a ton of weight on the tongue, laugh, and just roll out.

8,000lbs on a flat bed trailer with WDH is not unreasonable for a 1/2 ton. It doesn't have the side profile to be impacted by wind nearly as much as an enclosed trailer. Also, for a flat bed car trailer, you can easily adjust the weight balance / tongue weight by moving the vehicle slightly forwards /backwards on the trailer. It's not like a travel trailer where it takes far more work to shift weight around on the trailer.

I would think where you would potential run into the weakness with that configuration is downhill braking.

For me, I generally divide the advertised tow rating in half and that's probably the real world tow rating for that vehicle which is most likely limited by its rear axle weight rating / capacity.

Between 8,000lbs and 12,000lbs, I would opt for a 1 ton SRW HD gas pickup. Beyond 12,000lbs, I'd opt for a diesel power train for its exhaust braking capabilities.

 

they also made the frame 8" wider in the rear and it tows significantly better then the outgoing model , which is stated by pretty much 100% of the gen 3 owners after towing who have owned both. So it's not just focus on the center of the frame deal. and yes, its way stiffer, no more bed flopping all over, I don't miss that either or the shitty ride unloaded or light loaded.

but I do agree with you as I stated in the other thread you were badgering me about, all new 1/2 tons are extended warranty purchases, way too much to go wrong with all the fancy shit everyone is bragging about.

 

ya, you can do it if your careful, no doubt. Sweers stated directly when they rated the tundra that he wanted it to not only tow that much, but tow it well. so there's that.

just hope the magic ford pixie dust and undersized cooling system doest get you, HAHA, JK

 

My understanding is that those problems manifested in PowerBoost vehicles, not the non-hyrid vehicles. I wouldn't want the PowerBoost F150 because it downgrades you to a 30 gallon fuel tank compared to the non PowerBoost models that can have the 36 gallon fuel tank.

 

Yeah well for the safety of other drivers on the road, makes a lot more sense for you to use a 3/4 or 1 ton when towing in excess of 10,000. Yet, many Tundra and F-150 users admit to towing well over that "because they can". I know some people are exceptionally experienced with towing and it's a non-issue, not everyone falls into that category though. Driving I-80 for long stretches I see many instances of people overloaded, being pulled all over the road by an excessively heavy trailer and no WDH. A 3/4 or 1 ton wouldn't fix all the problems, but wheelbase alone with mitigate some risk.

Another issue, EVERYONE overestimates their abilities time and time again just because they've "never had an issue".

 

At that weight you certainly better have trailer brakes though. My boat trailer has surge brakes and even at only 6500# I'm not really a fan. I'm looking into converting it to electric over hydraulic

 

Do you have any pics of the inside of your truck ?

 

I guess I differ, if your towing that much weight, the powerboost would be good at that, also the range is probably better even with the smaller tank. You could also then get the 7.2Kw generator for your outings.

I think you should consider the other way around to your thinking.

just my trying to understand Ford guys logic and provide tundra guys level headed thinking, which is why all of you are here right? HA

 

what do you want to see?

 

It's been tested - that's not the case. I believe there may be Youtube videos that indicate the results are contrary to this assumption.

The hybrid powertrain really only improves in city fuel economy (and thereby distances). I also don't want the complexity of a hybrid powertrain. For highway towing, the hybrid powertrain is just extra weight you have to carry and a smaller fuel tank so you get a double whammy from it. I don't think Toyota's version would fare any better in the real world. The behavior would be similar.

 

ya, I can't fault you there, it didn't go well for me either looking at those fords

 

Video?

 

I wouldn't want it in the Tundra either for the same reasons.

 

Everything ! Front seats , dash and rear seat area ?

 

Haha, You Boys could bench race, real race, handicap race my GTR and STI anytime you all want too.

Free of charge.

 

Call it the same, but the non-hybrid should have about 30 more miles of range, based on comparison of Fuelly data.

 

lol, I won't

 

I pick the time and spot? if so, titles for that GTR?

 

What a silly thing to say. If we are "racing" vehicles across classes, bring the GTR and race me from one side of the lake to the other. Bring a snorkel.

 

you havent seen a platinum tundra interior before? or just want real pics and not the computer thingys?

its all black with blue accent stitching and blue ambient lighting, black headliner, super sharp

 

It was a joke, but yes I have the titles to them.

The Hyrbid Tundras are quick though, and I don't understand all this back and forth anyway especially dealing with a Ford. Some guy traded his Tundra off on a RAM so what does that tell you. I think the really value in a Toyota is resale at 80-100 thousand miles. They have historically held their values well.

 

I'm not responding to everything, but:

Regarding 4 Auto:

The beauty of 4 Auto is situations where side roads are icy and the main road is clear. With a conventional transfer case, you might need 4H to get moving to leave the side road, then have to quickly switch back to avoid binding when turning 90° onto the bare dry pavement of the main road. 4 Auto just takes care of it - no switching back and forth, no binding.

It's also helpful in situations like backing a trailer on a wet lawn or up a steep gravel driveway. 2H might slip, 4H will damage grass and leave marks on the driveway as you turn because it is locked 50/50 and has to slip to avoid binding. 4A doesn't bind and doesn't slip.

I had conventional non-4A transfer cases on two trucks. It's really tough to consider going back to one once you've had 4 Auto.


Flat load floor:

I use my truck for stuff more than people. I liked the SuperCab F-150s because while they weren't great for people, I had loads of interior space for transporting large items that I'd prefer not to have exposed to the elements in the bed. One classic case is a large TV - I've moved a bunch outside of their boxes. You're supposed to keep them upright to transport them. The flat floor is perfect for that because I was able to have them flat on the floor propped up against the folded up back seat. No rocking back and forth on a hump that's putting pressure on the sides or anything like that.


Range on 30.6 gal hybrid tank vs 36 gal non-hybrid tank:

I see about 50 miles less range with 2 MPG better economy. So far I've gotten it to read 704 - currently on winter fuel and snow tires so maybe I'll see 750-760 in the summer. My plain EcoBoost 3.5 regularly showed in the low 800 range in the summer.

 

Just real pics . None of the dealers near me have any Tundras to see .

 

What part of the country? My closest dealer has 75 new tundras in stock, and we have multiple dealers in town.

 

Hamilton Ontario Canada

 

In that case, I suspect it's actually less stiff.

 

My buddy tows fairly heavy with his Powerboost and has been getting worse fuel economy than his previous 5.0L. He really should be in a SD Powerstroke; I can't remember why he went with the F150 this time but it might have been availability when he was buying.

 

If the frame is bigger in the rear then why the hell is the Bed smaller in dimensions? I haul stuff, large items, I tow rarely and never more than probably 6-8k lbs. How much do you need to tow? My rear axle is rated for more weight and if you are carrying weight in the bed, it works really well as Speers designed it to work and its a Lizard off road because of the Open C frame. Ride is good for a full size when loaded. I would never drive my truck around with an empty bed. It was a purpose made vehicle. And the few people I know that owned one never commuted in one. Thats where the 3rd Gen is focused.

 

Yeah if you want good economy while towing heavy you need a diesel, period.

 

Guys I have an idea that will help us all out and no one leaves empty handed...... Lets all get together and meet up in person. We'll line all of our F150's and Tundras in a row behind us and set up cameras at all angles. Then lets all get into a massive fist fight! Just kick the shit out of each other! Then we upload it to Youtube as the Official F150 and Tundra Fist fight. I would imagine it will amass a ton of views and we all can split the money we get from it. Its a win win and people in the comments can cheer on their choice of truck owner in the fight!

What do you all say!?!?