2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

I need to work on my man a little bit, but he has heart

 

I've never implied any one feature of my truck makes it head and shoulders above the tundra. Just that the cumulative sum of features make it a better choice for my use case. Could I live without 4A, tow hooks, flat floor, 3.73 gears, torsen front end? Sure. But why?

 

Get your team in check.

 

the 4wd auto, I don't understand your fixation on that, but if you like that, then hey man, have at it. I can teach you how to use a part time system if you want since you ford guys seem so dependent on this auto system, I'll buy the beer, you take me fishing.

Tow hooks, they can be added, yes, toyota missed the mark for some people, agreed. I don't really care that much

flat floor, meh, nit picking, I kinda like the divider and also huge underseat storage, keeps shit from rolling all over a little.

3.73 gears, pointless, my tundra will pull and tow just as good as your tremer, no problem. Dare I say better?

I don't care about a torsen front end.

I would rather have a more unique truck, full roll down window, nicer looking interior IMO, auto load leveling rear, and better build quality, more torque with a lower torque peak, I can't even imagine the trucks coming off the Ford line during all the UAW pissing matches lately, disgruntled worker package please?

 

yes sir

 

... and this is the dilemma.

I had the opposite experience because the F150 was the default option. When I test drove the Tundra, I didn't find it to do anything better than the F150, but there were features that were missing or not designed correctly:

1. Remote start
2. Onboard inverter capable of ~1500-1600 watts (continuous).

I drove quite a few 2021+ F150s and I didn't notice the transmission behavior as unacceptable and this is coming from two BMWs with the ZF 8HP. I did see that there was a TSB in 2023 for the transmission that appears as if it would largely resolve the issue with the CDF.

I'm not too worried about the 4wd auto transfer case, but it is a minor plus. I would have much preferred a lockable Torsen center diff that Toyota implements in some vehicles (or if Ford offered the Raptor in a 6.5 foot bed configuration).

I dislike rear air suspension UNLESS it supplements a traditional coil spring or leaf spring set up. I don't want the vehicle squatted to the ground in the event the rear air suspension malfunctions. Or, the OEM can just increase the effective spring rate of the coil spring /leaf springs and use a higher quality or better tuned shock absorber.

 

Again, it's the cumulative package of all those features. (totally aside, I think the 3rd gen is ugly front to back, but that is a personal thing)

The 4A for me is super nice in the rain, AT tires are only so good with keeping 500 ft lb from breaking loose when wet.

I'm not saying the Tundra tows poorly, but you're saying you'll slap some 35" tires on yours and out-tow me?

 

Forgot about those two, again not deal breakers but they are features I use quite a bit now that I have them.

 

I have no idea dude with 35's , I think we are both too old and experienced to get into the internet bench racing, BS. I have 0 interest in 35's

and what is so ugly about this? I mean I know it doesn't have the famous window dip and all

 

the AVS plus air rear rides hands down awesome, much better then all the F-150s I test drove.

the remote start works fine, fob or app, yes, the door open thing is odd since the new taco stays on.

enjoy your Ford, hopefully it treats you well.

 

I do like the generator thing, Ill give you ford dudes that. I've read Toyota is going to add this, would be interesting. Thats one of the only things that lead me to take one for a test drive, but we know how that went.

 

I was looking at my neighbours' F150s the other day. They could get rid of the dip if the beltline wasn't so dang high.

 

Totally agree and I wasn't trying to keyboard warrior with you, it was just a bold claim so I was curious. I regularly benefit from the larger tires and 3.31 gears would make for a less-than-ideal combo when I need to tow.

As far as the look, I just don't dig it. Grill is huge and I don't like the tail lights. I'm slow to warm to new designs though. But that said, I was not much of a fan of the look of the 2nd get either. I still love the look of the 1st gen, I wish I'd never sold my 2003.

 

I don't think the Tundra looks ugly. Either the F150 or the Tundra are acceptable to me in terms of appearance.

I think all 1/2 tons tow similarly.

I'll call BS on someone telling me their 1/2 ton tows similarly to a HD pickup UNLESS it was a lower trim 14th Gen F150 with the Heavy Duty Payload Package. Those are the only 1/2 tons that had 2400-3000lbs of payload capacity largely due to the higher spring rate for their rear leaf springs.

The reason I said 1,500-1,600 watts continuous is because I think there's forum posts that indicate that 2,000 watts may be the peak power rating for the inverter.

 

I wouldn't say even the HD Payload package makes it two even close to a 3/4 ton. 1/2 tons are just too light, much over 10k# and it's the tail wagging the dog.

You may be right about the 2000w peak, I know I have run a heat gun and microwave for extended period of time pulling 1800w.

 

I do not hate the Gen3 but just did not agree with these focus groups who supposedly told Sweers to shrink the interior, keep the rear transmission hump, avoid folding lockable and flat rear storage, leave the real inverter for the Tacoma, and add in an unnecessarily quirky infotainment system. If I was invited as a 13 yr Gen2 owner to sit in on them I could have weighed in as the one brave soul against a room full of people supposedly rejecting these things but I was not.

"Gimme muh basic no nonsense back to basics TTV6 14 inch screen coil sprung rear 95 TOYOTA TRUCK type half ton and keep the fluff out."


OK sure.

 

We would have given the Tundra more consideration if Toyota/Lexus had competitive/available offerings in other categories.

1. We'll probably replace our X3 35i with a much larger extended wheel base SUV like the Suburban / Yukon XL / Expedition Max in 2026-2028. Toyota / Lexus does not have an extended wheel base offering to compete with those platforms.

2. My mom (who lives nearby) will likely replace her Subaru Forester for a refreshed 2025 Ford Explorer ST. IIRC, Toyota / Lexus does not have a unibody IRS RWD based AWD SUV. The 2020-2023 Ford Explorer had reliability issues and designs that have since been corrected (or proofed out) after extended testing under severe duty conditions (police vehicles).

We have spare cars for each family member and we have a lift in our garage for repairs / maintenance. We've always done our own repairs on our BMWs and we're avid BMW CCA DIY enthusiasts. I don't think the implications of lower reliability is going to be a problem for us. I prefer not to need to have a separate set of diagnostic software / hardware / tools for all of our vehicles if we can avoid it.

 

I thought you have a stock 5.0? maybe I was mis-informed. Thats why I said, dare I say better, wasn't trying to start a bench race, it isnt a stretch to think a boosted tundra with 479 at 2400 would out pull a stock 5.0 V8. I didnt shop a tremer so I don't know as much on that, I was shopping a lariat and platinum, the lariat was kinda lame since you had to have the high package full of chrome to get a heated steering wheel, that was one reason I looked at the platinum, but the platinum ford was more than a platinum tundra. I was still considering it until that test drive BS, but then toyota cleaned up the builds around late spring 23, so I was in. Mine is solid as can be, boost is fun, HA

the grill isn't that big when you color match the stash.

I will say, I don't like the non color matched stash look at all, and pics don't do it justice, in person, fully color matched, it looks sharp.

but alas, subjective material time.

 

You are right. For the GM 2500 gas and Ford F-250 platforms, the F150 HDPP still won't come close to it. However, it may have more capability in other areas when compared to the Ram 2500. The engine, transmission, and brakes will still be more capable on the 3/4 tons (to include the Ram 2500).

I'll probably end up installing the Bilstein 6112/5160 combo on the F150 along with the F150 HDDP front sway bar and rear leaf springs. We'll probably replace the factory tires with 275/65/20 LRE Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 when they are available in that size. This won't increase our legal towing /trailering capacities, but it will definitely make the rig handle better as we trailer our track car on a flat bed trailer to and from track events across the country.

If I bought a Tundra, I would have done similarly but I do like how you can retrofit a Ford genuine leaf spring and it won't stand out like a bright colored aftermarket rear coil spring in the Tundra.

 

no worries man, do what you need to.

I've never heard that one before though about needing to own all the same brand, interesting.

 

By the time you highly option the Lariat, you are close to the price of a Platinum.

Since Granger Ford sells the 2024 F150s at 4% under invoice not including additional incentives, I think the actual selling price is very similar to a 2024 1794 Crew Cab with the 6.5 bed and OR package.

 

how much weight are we talking here? with all that, why don't you just get a bigger truck and have some real capacity ?

also don't forget about the axles, arent they still semi-float on the 1/2 ton?

 

No Sir. 3.5 Ecoboost. Only option available on the Tremor for MY21 and 22, but would have been my choice anyway over the 5.slow

 

yes, thats what I came to find out, so I moved up to shopping for the platinum ford powerboost, I had 0 interest in a non-hybrid ford.

not to beat a dead horse but, that's when I test drove a powerboost platinum and ruled out the ford. I was going to order a blue black appearance package one. Im glad toyota got their shit together off the first model year stuff as I like the tundra much better.

 

ok, I see, my fault. power is pretty much the same then

 

I want the option to DD the vehicle which is not as fun with a HD pickup.

8,000lbs at most on a flat bed trailer which is probably the most I'd want to pull with any 1/2 ton even with WDH.

Steel trailers tilt bed car trailers are about 3,000 lbs and the car can be up to 4,000lbs. I may put equipment such as a tire rack on the front of the trailer so I would put an aggressive estimate at 8,000lbs.

If it was more than 8,000 lbs and enclosed, that would definitely be HD territory for a non white-knuckle experience.

 

It's so strange with F-150 and Tundra owners the lengths they'll go to, to build a faux 3/4 out of a 1/2 ton truck, and it never works as well as just a stock 3/4 ton.

 

ya, thats pushing it man, I would go bigger truck, but thats just me as Im conservative and like a ton of reserve. just be careful with WDH set-up and loaded it right to balance, that will help a lot.

 

I say Screw reliability. All these full size pickups are nothing more than giant iPhones rolling around on wheels. Seems to be a crapshoot if you end up with one that makes noise or is quiet. Buying trucks today is about service. You buy a Tundra because it's made by Toyota and the low production numbers 6 F150 made to every Tundra, means problems or issues coming up, are going to be fixed faster. Its all about service and keeping you driving until just before the warranty runs, sell out prior for higher resale; and not to have to pay $40k for a Tundra engine after warranty expires (hope it never occurs).

And so the Tundra is made on the same line as smaller SUV’s and pickups now. So what? They squished the frame 4 inches on each side of the cab to accommodate this. Probably made it stiffer, but now it is easier to get stuck in the farmers field come spring when you hit a frost hole, and sink due to the large body overhang.

And for those that live winter and are waiting for Tundra to have 4 Auto 4WD I Think you will be waiting a long time. I looked into it.

My opinion unless they come out with a totally new 4wd system…they have two to choose from that are suitable for a pickup truck.
Part Time 4wd – exists today – no 4auto and
Full Time 4wd like in the Land Cruiser, GX SUV, 4Runner Ltd, Tacoma Ltd.
IMO - These are the only 4wd systems robust enough to go into a pick up truck. Since Tundra engineers are in BED with the EPA people, I don’t see it happening. Too much of a mpg hit. But who knows. Someone correct me if I am wrong in my thinking.

With the big 3. 4Auto is nothing more than a front diff that goes for a ride and then you push a button or toggle to activate it. Gas penalty low until you do. My Jeep Cherokee Ltd. had this in the 80's - lol. Its not as good as Toyota’s Full Time 4wd system, but it is better than the part time system. Better than having nothing.

 

Potential 30-50 mile commute to work each way may not be as comfortable in an HD pickup.

But I would even argue, besides vehicles registration requirements for commercial applications, why even bother with a 3/4 ton truck? Just go to a 1 ton SRW. For GM and Ford, the difference in the rear suspension is essentially the overload leaf. When the 1 ton SRW HD is unloaded, those overload leafs should not be in contact with the chassis so, theoretically, it should ride similarly to a 3/4 ton when unloaded.