2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

That's good, only here about the Michigan plans being put on hold. This is why conversations are good.

 

^a Ford supplier drives a tundra what does tha tell you?

I do dig the terminator cobra mustangs, ford makes some cool stangs throughout the years. A truck to me is a truck but I do have to say I love the Tundra. If Ford had done more tech stuff to sway me then I would be driving a f150 instead of the tundra

 

Yes 2008 but so many different stories.
This link state Ford took a different path so *not a bail out* but still got a loan? https://www.freep.com/story/money/c...nment-loan-department-energy-debt/5526413002/
I can't read it all but I guess we can see it differently.

My thinking on the loans to build batteries or incentives is if it doesn't succeed then its just makes the failure even worse . So much of gov money being thrown around to see what sticks is about how I look at it.
I work for TMH dealership and I get to see just a taste of mr Toyodas determination and life long building structure to not waste.

There's just to .any different articles to keep up with anymore, some give you some of the story and alot don't give enough but a headline.

 

… tells you that I was less than satisfied with my F150 due to 3 engine rebuilds for cam phaser issues… amongst other issues.

 

Ford didn’t get a bail out but they are getting a massive loan at an undisclosed rate and repayment schedule.

It’s bs and f ford and f the government

 

..and their cover scheme media which is failing to convince the once massive brainwash. NCSWIC


HNY Tundra owners !

 

Dam dude sorry to bring up dark memories! Lol

 

Listen, I’m not a conspiracist or anti-govt. Not trying to turn political but I’ll never believe in corporate welfare.

I am sick of seeing corporations get trillions in help through bail outs, loans with rates citizens could never get, tax abatements, tax loopholes, and the infamous corporate tax cut. The last of which I personally worked at a global custodian bank when it took place and saw where that savings really went.

I’d rather have forgiven student loans for all than cut corporate taxes over 12% . Imma stop so I don’t get banned from my favorite site I’m not an owner of

 

You 100% correct, I feel the same.
Like GM said they paid back 100% of there loan, I read elsewhere this was not 100% true despite the commercials.

 

The only one who paid back the loans fully is Ford, they tried not to take them but did and repaid them on time as they were supposed to.

 

I think GM did. I’d have to go back and look but I used to follow this stuff religiously and at one point i remember only one person still owed money and it was drumroll- ford. They took out a loan in like 2009 and it was due in full by I believe last year . Ford moght have paid it off unless the government is acoustic and gave them another loan when they still had one outstanding.

 

I found info stating they (GM) used another unused special loan to payback the other loan?? To many political names on article so I wont paste it here. Seems alot of shuffling around to me.

 

Ah yes the true American way. Don’t repay the debt, just reshuffle it

 

This is what it says about it. Too big to fail......

 

1978: Government policy leads to High interest rates, high energy costs, restrictive environmental regulations causing auto to sales collapse, Chrysler bankruptcy, and bailout.

2009: Mortgage loan collapse caused by government policy leads to credit crunch and auto industry collapse, necessitating bailouts.

It is almost starting to look like American automotive corporate culture has accepted this as a routine part of the business cycle. So much so they're positioning for the next one now.

As I think I have mentioned here I believe the next round will be when they ask the government for help recovering from trying to sell excess EVs it made them build so they can hand most of the market back to the EV only manufacturers and refocus on ICE. About all I have to say about that.

Snow forecast here this weekend. First since I picked up the Powerboost in early 2022. I have mixed feelings. I hate dealing with snow removal but have been wondering if I'm ever going to get a chance to test out the E locker. Tried to go down to the NEw Jersey Shore where they authorize beach driving in the fall last year to get my permits but of course the office was closed that day. Never got back down to do the paper work. I would not mind finally getting a chance to see how this truck handles the muck. I could drive a few hours to a state off road park but I never have the time for that and I don't want to run a stock height long wheel base truck on factory 20 inch tires over anything too crazy.


Never gone this long without needing to use my 4wd.

 

I get why the student loan thing would be beneficial but it does piss me off when my wife and I basically spent all of our spare cash we made for 10 years to pay ours off with some of them being at 10+%. We barely had a savings account for most of it and it took a lot of sacrifice.

 

My Problem with the student loan proposals is they make more people who maybe shouldn't do college feel comfortable enrolling at these excessive prices going forward. I think The real purpose of it is so kids currently on the fence about college see an older generation bailed out and feel comfortable continuing to take the loans to help keep the beast growing.

The one good government policy I've seen on this is to waive degree requirements for as many Civil Service jobs as possible which forces private companies to consider the same to compete. Starve colleges of new students by offering them good jobs that don't require it and they'll cut costs to survive. Pay off loans and a fresh generation of kids will see 100K in debt as less of a risk. They will pay current prices and encourage more worthless fat in the industry and more inflation later.

I was a History undergrad but I took ridiculous fluff to meet certain requirements and fill mandatory slots. American Studies, the Study of Food. Some hippy talked to us about Food culture for an hour a couple times a week then gave us an A for writing something coherent about it. There is no critical economic demand for that. They created a job that didn't have to exist to spend cash they're flush with because this is what they're incentivized by the loan and endowment system to do. Another guy I knew in engineering took Rock and Roll history to fulfill some other side requirements that seems set up to create demand for creampuff liberal arts coursework taught by people who don't qualify to do anything else.

OK now, for real, no fakin, That's about all I have to say 'bout dat. Now I have to go have my wife watch me yank the snow thrower cable for a half hour while checking the oil and plugs and trying to remember what voodoo I did to make it run the last time I tinkered with it probably 2 years ago.

 

I wasnt gunna say it, but yes, I think the problem is that people go to school for things that don’t result in getting paid well enough to justify it.

And yeah, the requirement to have a college degree for a lot of jobs is unrealistic. For a lot of jobs you just have to not be a moron, but having a degree wouldn’t actually matter.

 

Who pays for the college loan forgiveness? Folks that already paid theirs off and folks that didn't go to college, you know we the taxpayers. The money just doesn't disappear.

Also before we shift the debt from some people to others, why is no one looking into why those educations are so expensive? If I remember correctly Professor, Staff, college President salaries have exploded over the last decade or 2. How many are paying college coaches $10 million or more per year?

The student signed the loans, the student should pay for it. They could have went to a less expensive college but didn't.

On the F150 front. I too am getting the $2k off code plus local dealers are dropping price $10,000 to $15,000 off. I'm not interested. I just went past 35,000 miles on this nearly new 2018. No need to spend $50 to $60k on a new truck.

 

When my wife graduated and was looking at Masters programs/law schools, her dad told her "If you do this, you have to make absolutely sure you will get the job that allows you pay this money back." She never even used her Master's degree, and that was $80k alone. Thankfully the law degree paid off. This was our debt chart, each square is $1000. When we finally cleared it all in 2018 after two years of hard work, we said we would never go back into consumer debt again.

 

The same people who are paying for corporate welfare.

I’d rather invest in our people than something that doesn’t really exist .

 

No to both.

 

Student loans don’t really need forgiven but they should have an Apr cap and no interest accrual while in school.

Majority of the debt is from predatory rate accumulation. I’d like to see total principal balance

 

That is impressive but dang you and your wife must make some serious money to pay that off in 2 years. I take it your home is paid off as well. That's the only way that could happen for me.

 

Feel free to actually reread my statements. Just when you get a chance. Your replies are making assumptions. I bet said anything should be forgiven but rather see one over the other if there’s a choice which there apparently was .

it’s nice to see how well trained people have become to immediately dismiss any sort of help for others

 

Who pays for the car company bailouts? Why shouldn't they have to repay the loans they took?

 

I was against those too. I felt that if USA citizens wanted to save Chevy and Chrysler, they would buy their vehicles. I still say it was union bailout.

 

We were DINK at the time, and kept all living expenses really low. We do still have a mortgage but it's 50% LTV and less than 10% of our income.

 

I miss being a dink .

 

umm. trucks anyone?