2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Maybe for the R but the Raptor is 100 percent an F150, as a matter of fact with the tremor there isn't as much difference between the base Raptor and Tremor beside fox shocks. Ford has dilluted the Raptor name with Ford performance. They make Raptor Broncos, and Rangers now. The SVT vehicles definitely held their values better and were better built than the standard rebranded global Ford performance models.

 

I don't disagree because what you're saying makes a lot of sense for many folks.

I've spent a lot of time in the past 2 years DIY repairing our current aging cars at home because I didn't want to get schwacked buying a new car when supply was limited. Since, taking a non-field assignment in my civilian career that does not come with a work car, repairing cars is less of a hobby and more of a chore. Also needing to travel further for my "part time" military commitments added more challenges to my situation.

I've come to ask myself the following questions that led to more questions with answers:

What is my time cost? --> What technical skills/expertise in my civilian career field am I not able to build/improve/develop because I am forced to spend time to get my own modes of transportation in order (and know that it was done right)? How would that change if we had a vehicle or two that were under some type of factory warranty so that I could just drop it off at a dealership and say, "Fix this, please"? How much leisure time am I losing because I'm dealing with out of warranty vehicles?

What is my opportunity cost? --> How does not having the time to build/improve/develop the technical skills/expertise impact my future earnings? I have/had colleagues with enough personal ability and technical expertise to be selected for specialized technical response teams. Almost all of them had been solicited by private sector companies willing to pay 2x-5x the federal pay cap. There's a "roadmap" to where I want to be post retirement and I want to minimize distractions to get there.

What is my reputational cost? --> If you're not able to get to where you need to be on time, will people think you're reliable or dependable? How would that perception impact your future opportunities/assignments? If you went to start your car and it didn't start, would you be able to just get another set of keys to drive another car? Or would you have to go to a rental car place and rent a car temporarily to get you to where you need to go? What if you need to drive through a metro area and since you started 2 hours behind, you've timed your passage through that metro area in the worst way possible so now you're 2-5 hours behind schedule. That goes back to time cost question.

I *assess* that the additional cost/expense of an additional depreciating asset is worth it because the other side of the equation is "what will not having a spare vehicle cost me in terms of future opportunities / earnings". I know many people may see this differently.

 

“Of course the raptor is a f-150, it’s basically a tremor” lol

seems to be a lot of top of the line/specialty models being compared to run of the mill tundras…where are all the xlt owners?

 

With inflation you will need more and more income to survive. Things that were $10k 4-5 years ago are now twice to three times that amount. Depends upon the lifestyle you want to live when you retire. Me and the wife love international travel, eating out, visiting places most people never get to see in their lifetimes. The average American will need $1-2 million dollars of pre tax investment income to retire so let that sink in. To maintain a 2-3 decade retirement scenario that is what you will need not to mention you can't max out social security till 70 years old (if you hit retirement age in 2030 plus) and it's maximum contribution means you have to make $250k a year or more to hit the max benefit. They keep changing the goal posts and more than likely many won't be able to depend upon social secruity benefits in the future.

 

Let’s move on from the earning and investing bs guys, back to trucks

 

Quite agree.

So, from what I've gathered the 2.5 gen is still considered the pinnacle of Tundras, yes?

Can I get an Amen?

 

I wasn’t trying to give, and I certainly have no interest in receiving, financial advice on a truck forum. That said, I do realize that on paper, financing at 0% makes more sense, but we have been debt-free for years now, since I was 30, so I have very little interest in going back in debt, even if it means my balance sheet looks slightly better at the end of the year

 

Grim

 

Right wasn't trying to give any, for me the truck is a work truck. My reimbursement is enough to make the payment, gas and maintenance. It is different when you have a depreciated work truck vs. a truck that you use for 3k miles a year. It came off as condescending if you have a truck payment.

You can spend your money how you see fit and I certainly spend mine how I see fit. If is frustrating for almost everything I own has doubled or even tripled in value. This makes replacing anything very difficult, and acquiring new items extremely difficult since they don't make new ones any longer in most cases and you can basically name your price.

 

Though I always find myself wondering why a 2 year old, low mileage vehicle would be up for sale and what kind of problems it might be having that would cause the owner to be selling it.

 

You've got that backwards. Toyota refreshes their vehicles every 6 years or so. It's the domestics that do two refreshes a year.

 

One year or less raises alarms for me unless I find out it was owned by @DrZoidberg . I figure the odds are higher 1st year issues made someone jump ship than that their situation changed so fast that they had to get out of the loan or that they lost interest.

I would not kick a 2-4 year old vehicle out of bed knowing it's a bit more common for people to have something else catch their eye after 2-3 years and want to move on. But I want 10-15 k per year average. Not something that sat un driven most of the time and not something driven so much that the mileage of the power train warranty is already close to exhausted.

Part of it is I'd feel more confident seeing average miles racked up that early reliability problems had revealed themselves and been ironed out. These 5-8k per year creampuffs would have me wondering what problems had not popped up yet.

 

lol, the gen 2 Raptor I had was pristine. I think this dudes issue was a 1500 truck note

 

Even then, I would suspect the average leasee drives it like they stole it and doesn't care about maintenance.

 

I think he's saying he picked up a used Raptor that got traded in because it was too expensive, not because it had problems.

 

Now front diffs are the new thing on the Ford forum. See another member stated "should of bought the tundra"! I do not know if the battery thing has been fully corrected as many are just buying a new $200 H8 battery since Ford doesn't want to. So glad I'm here and no long there.

 

@digitalwiz

are you implying the F250 quality is better ?

What about one of these F150's that was parked at the Kentucky Speedway waiting for parts ?
Anyone else notice the funny thing in this pic? 8^0

 

Lol , an xlt is well over 60k? Ford needs to slow down or another gov bail out will be needed. Big warranty loses, customers have to be wising up as the ev shenanigans is finally unwoke. If the f150 is the bread and butter to offset loses, how much longer will it last for Ford? I hung in for 6 years and the last 3 I got educated that Ford will waste as much of your time as possible if the vehicle isn't completely broken. @digitalwiz I agree with you about how the tech is nice and the eye candy and some things in the cab, but I need to get up turn the key and repeat. Searching the forums on "what's wrong with my f150" got old quickly.
Perfect example with Ford. Guy says 2023 f150 turns ruff in parking lot other wise runs great. Here ford redesigned the 4wd knob and before you pulled out to lock the diff now it's a soft touch press??? SMH but this get them in the door as wow everything is updated again I have too buy one!

 

Toyota parking lol!
I think the F250 goes through less updates thus less issues imo.

 

Mechanically yes, still all the electrical bugs…They recently cheaped out (or dana did) on the upgraded rear axle (standard axle is the sterling axle) and people were shearing bolts off because they had removed material. The 7.3 is delaminating cam shafts because of the variable oil pump for mpg’s…trucks that idle a lot don’t pump enough oil back up top…

 

Wow, guess I need to get on the f250 forums to get up to date Jesus. Variable oil pump wow!

 

Yeah, I mean it’s nothing crazy…they are generally still good trucks. For basically the same price it seems like a no-brainer over an f-150 if you can live with the size

 

Never mind this screen shot speaks enough, wow just wow!
NSFW https://youtube.com/shorts/wfOrU_rUq6g?si=zU1EBmc-AdIJFyMC
Lol

 

Wow y’all stalking the Ford forum…. Hope y’all feel better.

 

The f150 is the most sold vehicle in America, the have a ton of them and I see more and more tundras in my area everyday. Toyota has a significant hit with the Tundra at least in the gulf states. Ford needs to update suppliers and quality issues cause the quality isn't near as good as it was pre covid and pre UAW pulling their boycott.

 

I am plus I owned one and delt with all the Ford warranty BS. I always try to help with my past experience too.

 

Ford didn’t need a Gov’t buyout.

 

Fords taken the money before right?
Now again? https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/business/ford-department-of-energy-loan/index.html

Not looking for a fight, just seeing alot of dropped investments like the Michigan battery plant being put on hold(scraped).

 

You have 2 mutually exclusive comments.
Presumably your comment about a government buyout was referring to 2008 when the Feds provided money to GM and Chrysler (not Ford) to stay afloat during the downturn.

The second comment and article about Ford battery plants are loans/incentives to lure companies to invest in kick starting a technology. This is common in all industries.
No worries picking a fight… just trying to clear the air with facts.
Fwiw… I had a ‘17 F150 before my ‘24 Tundra. I am not a Ford homer. I used to work for Ford as a supplier for 20+ years…

 

BlueOval City battery plant being built outside Memphis in Stanton, TN.....

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2022/09/23/blueoval-city-groundbreaking.html