2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

I know too many people who think, “it’s [2022], all cars and trucks are reliable!” Unfortunately, this is a massive fallacy. There are so many factors—amount and time frame of testing data collected, methods of production, location of production, oversight and management at the factory, the service life of the robots/machines making the part, the accepted tolerances of each according to each manufacturer, the target service life of each part (i.e., planned obsolescence), etc etc etc… Look at GM’s lifter issue. Look at the bad batch of Toyota steering racks that has grounded a number of 2021 trucks. Look at Ford’s recent 10-speed issues and oil consumption on some of their powertrains.

Also, as you mention, drivetrains are just becoming more complicated. I agree that things are most likely moving to be less reliable over the long term. But again—by definition—we don’t yet have data to support or contradict that statement yet.

 

Manufacturers are cramming so much tech into vehicles, I almost wonder if they're hoping to get higher ownership turnover based on the technology being current, therefore moving vehicles along for tech reasons instead of the original owners giving up for reliability reasons.

We're being conditioned to accept frequent upgrades to our tech embedded devices, if that happens with vehicles, it may push reliability concerns off the table.

 

I just hope the tech doesn't end up making the truck obsolete before it's service life is over. Example, with phones 3g is going away so anyone with a working phone that doesn't have 4g is being forced to upgrade. Will cars do the same thing, it's getting to where everything is being ran through the infotainment system, will it get to where the manufacturer doesn't support the tech of a 20 year old car anymore and it just stops working even though the truck itself is still perfectly fine?

 

I'm actually surprised you didn't mention the fact that the Lincoln Pickup was rated so low even though it's the same as the F-150 ?

 

Wouldn't you just upgrade the tech then ? Seems a lot more cost effective than replacing the whole vehicle .

 

Nailed it. My grandparents and parents upgraded based on "well its time to trade", whether that was reliabilty, repairs, or age of the vehicle. My generation (older millenial) we trade on features, I've had a sh*t ton of Tacomas and been a member there for awhile, see guys trade in just for power seats, apple car play, power sliding window, etc. Same with my friends / wife's soccer mom friends, gotta have the SUV with the newest gadgets. Reliability and ability to wrench on / keep on the road seems to be a thing of the past (people are impressed when I can change spark plugs / do oil changes which are basic a** shit, just no one knows how to do anyting anymore on their vehicles), same goes for payments, $600 a month car payment seemed crazy years ago, now thats the average and it seems like staying in payments is more of the norm now than anything else, industry and product are definitely changing based on consumer habits.

 

Support the tech 20years later? That's pretty generous.

Most tech can't function 10 years later. I've got 8 year old BluRay players in my house that can barely stream movies anymore. And there's Android phones in the drawer that lost most of their apps support somewhere around the time they're 6 years old.

I can totally see someone trading in a vehicle just so it could integrate with the latest version of Google metaverse, or whatever new thing comes along that requires a hardware upgrade.....

 

If it was compatible. It's getting to be where the cars won't operate without the tech, if the manufacturer decides they no longer want to support that tech, they could very easily make the car obsolete and force you to buy a new vehicle.

 

You can't just upgrade the tech when it's baked in.

The latest tech has sensors and cameras and imbedded processors that won't be cutting edge enough for the next wave.

Notice how smartphones now have a permanent battery and few have exchangeable memory these days?

 

And if that tech is required for the car to operate? Engine and transmission still good but the car goes to the scrap pile because you can't start it because the 10 year old tech is no longer supported.

 

That's kinda where BEV is headed. ICE vehicles are just dabbling in planned obsolescence.

BEV are fully into it. The long-term Tesla ownership is totally dictated by Tesla, and with the newer generation of customers already embracing tech turnover, it's going to become really interesting soon. It definitely is too wasteful to apply planned tech obsolescence to something as durable as a vehicle, but the market will tolerate it.

BTW y'all, I'm not saying this is the case for the new Tundra, just that the broader industry is headed that way.

 

Yeah, I don't think we are there yet, but there are things like them locking down their software to prevent tuning or John Deere preventing anyone but dealers from working on them etc, that make you think more and more of it is coming.

 

I'm a teacher and am constantly surprised how many of my students have no interest in getting their license. Growing up, you got it as soon as you could, now 17-18 year Olds still have no interest in getting their license.

 

I have a late 70s GMC truck with one of the original pioneer tape players and square speakers (yeah square). Original owner besides me. Chrome fenders and western wheels.

Anyway, back then wow square speakers. They still work fine. It even has some crazy alarm system on it that takes another key.

Long story short people will figure out how to keep things working fine, or just preserve them not everyone tears up their stuff.

With as many times as my Ford Sync systems have gone inop in the middle of an update…. Everything else works fine.

One 2500 chevy I had, early 2000s I think 2003, sometimes the odometer and everything would go out and yeah it would come back on a few miles later with the same miles it had before it would go out.

It had a lot of techy stuff packed in it. Never was a fan. Never was a fan of Fords pre 2011.

Navigator is nice but for my use I stick with the super duty in the upper trim lines because ranch and occasional work duty.

 

I work in Seattle, which has been going through a huge tech boom.
You'd be surprised by how many people want to live downtown and want to own their own car. There's cars everywhere, despite the overall trends. It's mostly Tesla and mini coopers, but they like to be able to get out of town on the weekends.
They also apparently have enough money to nearly double their housing costs by keeping a car nearby.

My son is going on 15. And yes, his friends don't even care about cars. They care about gaming laptops.
6 months ago he lost his smartphone privileges, and 4 weeks ago we tossed the Xbox.

Now, he's talking about getting a job so he can buy his own phone and gaming laptop. I told him that's not happening unless he also gets a car (though I'll provide something basic like an older Civic or Corolla) pays insurance and gas so we don't have to drive him to work. The bus here sucks, the weather sucks. I also want him to aspire to more than just enough to get a gaming laptop and phone. He needs the burden of the responsibility of car ownership.

When he moves into his own life, out of our house, he is free to give up on a car and pursue a different lifestyle, but I don't want him to take the easy way out.

 

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/the-truth-behind-the-2020-ford-f-150s-shameful-reliability-ratings/?amp

 

Intentionally giving your kids the burden of responsibility. Man, I wish more people did that for their kids. Solid parenting! Good on ya.

 

Agreed. My son has an iPod that we gave him last Christmas; but we monitor what he does, and if he uses it irresponsibly, OR his grades sink (which they have of late) he gets nothing technological, not even the TV, except on the weekends, and even that is only AFTER homework is done.

I tell fellow parents he doesn't have his own iPhone, FB/Instagram/TikTok account, etc., and they look at me as if I'm insane. Don't think *I'M* the one in the wrong here. LOL

 

Technology is moving at an incredible pace be it for good or bad, I certainly don’t want a car that is no longer supported by apps and software updates but I have confidence that Toyota will not make your car absolutely useless unlike my half dozen iPhones and Androids in the drawer. Check out this TFL special on tracking devices. I’m amazed that Apple is allowing (MY PHONE) to relay tracking information from someone else’s device. This is DAMN INSANE. That means that my phone is not actually mine, it’s doing it’s own thing without my knowledge or control. How is this legal?

I’m a little irked at the new Toyota 22 infotainment system. Can this system be hacked and my car be stolen with a laptop? My question is not related to the Apple tracking device in the TFL video below.

https://youtu.be/KJIbrT7QWhE

 

I get them after you are finished with them and I'm still harping on them to get a license when in college. They don't seem to realize that they will most likely need it when they graduate.

 

Toyota put Full time or 4auto 4wd in the 4runner Limited but OMITTED it in the 4Runner TRD Pro.
Pure Marketing and milking dollars ?
Maybe my use of the word robust is not the right word.
I have never heard of any company.... adding more "parts" or "complexity" to a mechanical process that uses electronics and it makes it more or as reliable. If anything in this case with long term truck duty use, not SUV duty like the 4Runner, I would expect it becomes less so.
Especially with these long term Dashboard light ratings people are discussing here.
If the real data was available which it is not.

With 1/2 ton trucks Ford is concerned with volume and being No. 1
Its the best selling vehicle in Canada. The more features the better.
I think when you consider how many Ford trucks there are out there.
Why are there not more problems. Just saying.

 

Hi everybody and Happy New Year! Thanks very much to all of you that contributed or challenged me in my quest to decide in between the 2022 Tundra Limited OR and the 2022 F-150.
My long research ended and I just placed an order for a 2022 F-150 Powerboost - Lariat, 502A with Black Appearance Package, 7.2kw Pro-Power onboard, smart hitch and built in scale, etc. Wait time estimated now is 6-8 mts because of the late availability of the BAP, but this is not an issue for me, maybe even better as they have a bit more time to iron out some electronic issues, etc.

I will list below 10 reasons that pushed me toward this decision, even though we really wanted the Tundra to win our "Contest".

1- 7.2 KW ProPower Onboard - ability to power a TT, charge boat batteries, e-bikes, etc is amazing and I think that If the Tundra would have offered at least a 2KW outlet, I would be proudly announcing a Tundra
2- I actually got an excellent rebate for these times on the Ford, and coupled with 1.9% financing versus 4.99% for the Tundra - together this means more than $10K overall cheaper for the Ford vs the same price Tundra. My money matter
3- Better driving dynamics - In my opinion visibility is better and I liked driving the Ford more than the Tundra that felt bigger.
4- Superior Payload and axle ratings: Superior Payload - I estimate that my build will have 1550-1600 lb (with running boards and tailgate step) vs a Limited Tundra with 1400lb without step and running board. While difference is not that huge, it's still significant for my plans.
F-150 front axle 4800lb, real axle 4800lb, front springs 3900lb, rear springs 4150lb. I think Tundra's are lower, but not 100% sure?
5- Auto 4WD - We have a lot of snow here and I don't see my wife knowing what to do and when to turn On/ Off the 4WD
6- Running Boards and tailgate step included + Work Surface Tailgate - I know these are silly but I prefer having them rather than not.
7- Huge Accessories availability like bed racks/covers combo, etc vs the Tundra that has almost nothing.
8- Fuel efficiency - will be daily driver for my wife, lots of local city driving - so this difference will matter
9- Lots of little extras like: adjustable pedals, flat rear floor, fold flat lockable box under the rear bench, zone lighting, smart hitch, built in scale, interior work surface, tow hooks etc.
10- Excellent Crash Test results versus unknown results for Tundra.

Take care Tundra guys - if the Ford will be as bad as some people think on this forum - I'll be back in no time Cheers!

 

Enjoy your purchase. Don’t listen to everybody else. You’re on a tundra forum where majority of people will hate you or make comments for not buying a tundra. But in the end it’s your money buy what you want.

 

Congrats. I can't comment on the powerboost but the member xspurt can. My lariat 502a is a soon to be supercharged 5.0--- if I decide to keep the F150. Currently shopping a Tundra platinum but with TTL, every quote is $70k+.

 

Actually I was pleasantly surprised by how many objective people are on this forum and I expected a lot worse by opening this thread. I would have been destroyed on an F-150 Forum comparing Fords with other brands lol.

 

Good luck in your search! the Supercharged 5.0 would be a beast

 

Speaking of the power boost just read an article where the dealers are calling people with reservations and telling them there will be a $30,000 markup due to demand. Over 100,000 orders and they plan on building 15,000 this year. Could be 3/4 years wait for some. Sorry to derail thread

 

OMG I had no idea, but are you referring to the Lightning full Electric or to the Hybrid Powerboost?

 

Full electric