2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

I want a Lunar TRX bad. But I don’t want ram quality

 

Yeah they were few and far between. But there were definitely dealers out there in the last couple years who decided to hold the line on invoice or below invoice deals and rack up sales from people embittered by all the markup shenanigans happening everywhere else. At least one Ford and one Toyota place in my region were doing that.

Still all bets off on super low volume models tho.

 

This guy reminds me of someone?

 

So the demand that wasn’t there for new Tundras is all of a sudden there for used ones, and that is what is keeping used prices high? That doesn’t make sense to me

 

Or the fact that they make 10 of them a year and the dealers get what they get, so finding the specific truck you want is a gigantic pain in the butt and it becomes competitive.

 

If a certain percentage of buyers of new vehicles hold them until they fall apart and Toyota manufactures 1/7-1/8 the new trucks, there's going to be far
Slimmer pickins to get into a clean low mileage Tundra by the time you hit the used market. They just aren't easy to find.
The perceived quality plus that scarcity add to the value.

But they'd probably command significantly less if there were more than a handful to be found in easy driving distance of most buyers. I just jumped on Carmax and could find 3 used Tundras within 50 miles of my closest store. If I hit nationwide that goes to 135. An F150 search turns up over 600 nationwide. 21 nice ones to look at within 50 Miles, 7 times the number of available Tundras. Add in that hundreds of thousands of Fords and other domestics are regularly turned over by fleets flooding the used market.

Clean low mileage F150s will be more abundant and cheaper, also dragging down trade values, because that's just how the laws of economics work.

 

want a trx so badly, but that 10mpg would really suck a$$ and that’s not even towing

 

It ain’t too bad. I get 12 now and it’s meh.

 

Toyota makes approximately 1/7 as many new Tundra's to begin with compared to F-150's. Which of those is going to have fewer available on the second hand market, F-150 or Tundra? The demand is there for new Tundra's, but overall sales volume is still way lower and limited by Toyota's forecasting and production. Tundra's maintain that demand in the second hand market, hence the resale value. Better?

 

2 year old 2021 lunar rock TRD pro with miles still fetching above msrp

 

I think Toyota has a lot of perceived quality which attracts buyers regardless of models. People are willing to spend more and not balk at higher mile Toyotas because of the historical brand awareness of Toyotas lasting forever and going for many hundreds of thousand of miles. This leads to higher resell values and better overall brand quality as compared to domestic models.

 

I do not argue this is a factor. I just think it's impossible to ever fully prove exactly how much reputation factors in compared to scarcity if there will never be 800k per year Tundras coming off the line and trickling down into the used
Market.

People could pay up for Tundras with miles
Because they're confident they still have plenty more life left. Or they could pay up because there's fewer low mileage
Examples available used because people hold them longer, because of the reliability. Or a little of both. But If Toyota made 800k per year Im pretty sure the resale value gap would narrow to one degree or another.

 

I think you need to factor in ford.fleet sales on trucks floods market depresses prices

 

So Toyota will never ratchet yearly manufacturing numbers to anywhere near the domestics because they don't think they'll win that much market share unless sacrificing a lot of money per unit. One perk of keeping the numbers low is you don't have to heavily discount new ones.

Another perk is offering customers the selling point that they can feel confident of superior trade in values. It becomes even more understandable that they'd be content just hanging on to their current slice of pie and not trying to gobble up more. Sacrifices margins and waters
Down the resale value selling point.

 

I'd guess that if they had not been able to share the platform/drivetrain with existing/upcoming models, they would have just discontinued the Tundra and focused on markets other than 1/2 ton.

 

Yeah circles back to the fact that the Tacoma reveal shows that's where the real engineering muscle was directed. They redesigned the Tundra out of obligation because it's got its nice loyal fan club they want to hold onto for now. Yes, they did new things with it. But it's also clear They threw The real attention at the market they already dominate.

 

Which totally makes sense. Taco has long dominated the 1/4 ton market, Tundra has never been "competitive" in the half ton market.

 

And with that said, it's INSANE Nissan still offers the Titan.

 

TTV6, huge screen with new infotainment and coil Sprung rear were probably among the biggest things that needed to be there for Toyota to feel the Tundra would just need a minor refresh at some point to go 10-plus years before being
seen as outdated again.


I guess not much can be done about that load floor but if they hold back a
Hybrid inverter, styling changes and maybe a Few more hp for a mid cycle refreshening this is probably another 12-15 year design cycle, then they figure out if they still want to be bothered.

 

I'm pretty sure they've dropped it in Canada.

 

I guess if they already have the assembly line and everything setup then why not?

I do also think that the Titan and Frontier share a platform similar to how the Tundra and Tacoma are both on TNGA-F. On the previous gen Frontier, it was popular to titan swap the front suspension. Basically just bolt up the titan control arms, CV's, and tie rods and you have a cheap mid travel suspension. So they might be able to distribute the costs across the two platforms.

 

I had a 21 Ram 1500 Limited prior to my current truck. Granted, I only had it 2yrs / 8000 miles, but I had zero issues. The interior quality was amazing and it rode like a dream (had 4 corner air suspension). When I bought my current truck, I was considering TRD Pro, Raptor, and TRX. Considering what you get for the money (and dealer ADMs), I ruled out the TRD Pro. So, it was between Raptor and TRX. There are a few dealers that sell new TRXs for 10% under MSRP, but everyone orders from them. About a 10 month wait. I was going to do it, but found the Raptor at MSRP locally, so I grabbed it. I’ve heard the TRX will continue to be built with hellcat motor until 2026, so maybe I will get one towards the end of the line.

 

Yeah if they open it back up for ordering I’ll look into it. But my god the trx msrp has jumped so much in 2 years

 

I might very well have ended up in a Laramie Ram if there had been one single truck I found near me equipped like I wanted that didn't turn out to be a Quad cab instead of a Crew cab when I checked the ad more closely.

General irritation just from that repeatedly happening likely played a big part in driving me away from that option.

 

Yes. Toyota trucks and SUVs (LCs, Tundras, Sequoias, but also more plentiful models like the Tacoma and 4Runner) have always maintained demand in the secondhand market, even for models/years for which there are a lot of vehicles available (i.e., they're not scarce).

Look at the prices of a warranty. I read that Toyota's 10 yr warranty on the Tundra was around ~$1500. (That's $150/yr.) Ford's 8-year warranty cost twice as much on an F150, ~$3000 (that's $375/yr). And at the end of the factory warranty, which truck is worth more as a % of its original purchase price? The Tundra. My position is, it's not the scarcity of used models that is driving the prices of used Tundras up. It's the same story it always has been with Toyota trucks and SUVs: there is a lot more utility left when the warranty expires.

Used Tundra prices are high enough that in many cases, one might as well buy new. That's what happened with me (on the front end of the pandemic before prices really went nuts), and it is a very common story with Tacomas and 4Runners as well. I saw used Tundras EVERYwhere when I was shopping in 2019 and 2020 (granted they were 2nd gens, but it's not like the entire history of the Tundra and Toyota are not applicable because of the new generation). They weren't selling for as much as used Pros, but as a % of their original purchase price, they were very close. At the time, a 4-5 year old model with ~60k miles would cost me only a few grand less than a new truck, so I caved and bought my first new vehicle ever.

 

Just a data point, I paid $1500 for my 7 year/100k warranty on my 2022 F-150

 

I read that these are custom by another company. Still that's massive payload, has to be very expensive too but you won't end up like that ram did when the frame let go.

(2023 Ford F-550 Limitless pickup conversion from Elevation Off-Grid.)

 

And now the Platinum, which looks better than lower trims. I guess the routine is un camouflaged spy photos "leak" out in the run up to the full intro to generate excitement.

Rare case in this day and age where everybody wants body color where the blinged out front end seems to look best so far, at least to my eyes.

I just want to know if they removed 2400
Rivets and clips or made some
Serious moves to simplify the truck mechanically and electronically or reduced configuration choices.

Horrible stick on tailgate bling plate which always gave me a gaudy ghetto fabulous Pepboys accessory aisle vibe is now gone.
Maybe that's one of the 2400.

Only half kidding, I'm thinking there's
A good chance It is.

https://fordauthority.com/2023/07/2024-ford-f-150-platinum-spotted-completely-undisguised/amp/

 

Granted, that info was a year or two old. I think these days a lot more of it is baked into the sales price.