2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Lol

 

add mine too. I went through 11,130 miles of brain farts and electronic failures. I can give you more names and experiences if you want to put those on your signature too. The Ford quality is an issue. A dealbreaker issue.

 

Build a million of anything a year and you’ll have a few with problems, those who buy them tend to have loud mouths. Unfortunate and I’m not saying Ford doesn’t have some QC issues, but mine has been flawless. Knock on wood.

 

Tell me what you liked about the Tacoma drivetrain?

 

I tend to agree , they all can have issues and anything can take a shit at anytime .

that said, I do trust Toyota to find and fix problems more than ford , I have had some issues here and there with some of my Toyota trucks and they always took care of it.

 

That it was a manual.

 

As far as I understand it, you can get 3000 lbs in an F150 XLT and 2200 lbs in a Sierra SLE, which are their volume trims and are not what I would call stripped down. My brother has a Sierra SLT that's pretty nicely appointed and he has 1700 lbs of payload without the max trailering package. That package would get him at least 200 lbs more.

 

You tend to have a loud mouth when it sits at the dealer for 43 days and Ford can't fix the fucking thing only to learn the lot is littered with similar examples.

 

ok, I haven’t really looked at the max payload stuff in a while so maybe your right , an xlt isn’t something I would buy but I understand it works for many .

3k lb payload wow, full floater?

 

How was the power?

 

ouch, I can feel your anger lol

need that emperor meme , ha!

 

i thought the v6 3.4 manual was a damn nice setup back then, but the older ones like I had , couldn’t stand the now to be last gen of the taco, it was shit . Had one for a week getting my fuel pump fixed , couldn’t wait to get rid of that thing

 

And having run QA and service orgs, which I have, you learn these fucktards ship one part at a time even though they know it will take three modules to fix it. They're doing that so they can bill back the appropriate supplier and hold them accountable. All of which is fine but is a flawed process for actually fixing the problem for the customer. And who is in charge of the customer experience at Ford? Elana Ford who is 3 gens of nepotism deep and doesn't know a pick up from a pop tart.

 

Couldn’t get out of its own way.

 

I don't get the Tacoma love other than the reliability and form factor. I drove one 800 miles with about 4oolbs in the back and thought it was a breathless motor and lousy transmission. So low on power it hunted gears while making painful sounds trying to hold 70MPH on a flat freeway.

 

That was my experience. At least with the stick you could put it in 3rd and just floor it until the bitch blows up.
Toyota knows what they're doing from a product management standpoint. You get out of a taco and go into a gen 3 and you would have to think you'd died and gone to heaven.

 

If I recall correctly, you're from Louisiana? I don't off road either but I can definitely see the value of 4A in the winter. Seems much safer than trying to get traction in mixed driving conditions than by piling a bunch of sand bags in the bed.

 

no, northern IL. Haven’t had a problem with a tundra in the winter , i usually have good tires and don’t drive like a jag off either though .

 

I'm not sure of the design details but I do recall reading that those ones have a different frame than most other F150s.

 

it must if it’s truly 3k in a crew cab, shit my transit 350 high roof has 4-5k lol, 3k is a lot of payload for a 1/2 ton, that’s for sure, way more than I need for my truck uses

 

I have new Blizzaks and can't seem to get the rear end to grab when pulling away from intersections even without stepping on the gas.

 

My Lariat had 4A and I'm skeptical of how it actually worked. Ford pitches it or people assume it's like AWD and I don't think it is. On a wet grassy field I got stuck in 2wd. Engage 4a and drive away without an issue. Still in 4a when I turned moderately hard on a dry road I could feel the driveline torque and chatter just like it's in 4H. I repeated in 4H and the truck behaved exactly the same way. I asked a tech about it and he said the transfer case could sense slip differential from front to back and kick it into 4H. In other words, per the tech, it's just taking the manual turning of the knob away. A nice feature if you're someone driving the truck in crappy weather and don't know how to flip it to 4H but hardly a game changer. I left it off.

 

https://www.tundras.com/threads/2022-tundra-vs-2022-f-150-opinion.98975/page-112#post-3214276

 

No Sales problem if the plan is to target 100,000 Tundras in the US every year.
History has proved that even with the now unicorn** 2.5 Gen that did not actually change for xx years.
The bean counters at Toyota are not stupid.
If Toyota is making One Tundra for every 6.5 F150 trucks that Ford makes ... there will be no problem selling the trucks.
Now I think, if they doubled production which sounds like a lot, and started making 2 Tundras for every 6.5 F150's, which doesn't sound like a lot.
I believe we would start seeing more problems, less reliability. Bigger discounts than the few thousand off MSRP we are now seeing reported here.
I don't think this is the selling model Toyota wants. jmo
** Unicorn has its frame / platform not shared with other models.


Tundra US Sales
Year sold
2005 126,529
2006 124,508
2007 196,555
2008 134,249
2009 79,385
2010 93,309
2011 82,908
2012 101,621
2013 112,732
2014 118,493
2015 118,880
2016 114,489
2017 116,285
2018 118,258
2019 111,673
2020 109,203
2021 81,959
2022 94,429
2023 49,960

Best-Selling Trucks Of 2022
Ford F-Series: 653,957
Chevrolet Silverado: 523,249
Ram Pickups: 468,344
GMC Sierra: 241,522
Toyota Tacoma: 237,323
Toyota Tundra: 104,246
Chevrolet Colorado: 89,197
Jeep Gladiator: 77,855
Nissan Frontier: 76,183
Ford Maverick: 74,370
Ford Ranger: 57,005
Honda Ridgeline: 42,762
Hyundai Santa Cruz: 36,480
GMC Canyon: 27,819
Rivian R1T: 20,332
Nissan Titan: 15,063
GMC Hummer EV: 854
Lordstown Endurance: >50

 

Your thesis as stated above is that Toyota will have lower reliability and bigger problems at higher volumes? The higher the volume the lower the reliability?

 

Agreed, especially on the payload. I thought they would have addressed payload in a much bigger way in ‘22.

The logic of my expectation for the ‘22 Tundra went like this:
1. Toyota blew everyone’s doors off with the new 2nd gen in 2007.
2. The 2nd gen had a long, insanely reliable run.
3. Toyota knows the complaints: fuel economy and payload. Top two complaints BY FAR.
4. Therefore, Toyota will address these two issues and debut the new truck way out front of the pack yet again in 2022.

I thought the only way they could do this is basically giving us a full size Hilux. Unkillable like the 2nd gen, except it addresses the two main complaints of fuel economy and payload. Seems pretty simple to me! But nope…

Instead, we get 200 more lbs of payload and only 3 more mpg. At least we lost ground clearance, visibility, the short front end, best-in-class turn radius, rear axle rating, interior space, recovery hooks, and the classic Toyota simple-and-dependable ethos. (I’ve warmed up to it since; but this was my initial reaction.)

 

Yeah that’s a bit of a non sequitur for me. Reliability is about failure rates. Yes the domestics produce more trucks, but they also have issues at a higher rate. It doesn’t follow that doubling production will increase the rate of failures. More failures? Sure. 6% of 200k is twice the failures of 6% of 100k. Higher rate of failures? That does not follow IMO.

 

Seeing the specs on the new Tacoma and especially that it has the inverter we were
Told Tundra owners did not want I don't think it's hard to figure out what happened.

Toyota has settled in and accepted a lower spot on the sales charts with the Tundra but the Tacoma tops the charts and they want to hold that as other manufacturers bring back and update their small trucks.

Toyota is being competitive where they already dominate. So the serious envelope pushing and engineering muscle was prioritized to keep the Tacoma at the top of the charts and the Tundra was set up just to hold steady 3 or 4 spots down in its class. Then Mike Sweers tried to smooth over the blatant bean counting with "The focus groups said they didn't need..." because he can't say Toyota considered the Tacoma the more important project.