2020 Tundra or wait?

I will say this though I like Ram's decision to offer a Hemi without E-torque for those who want to stay away from the Hybrids.

 

I'm with you. I think V8 are perfectly serviceable and shouldn't be scrapped when all the big 3 OEMs plus Nissan are releasing new trucks with V8s with good MPGs. If they can do it, why can't Toyota.

 

Isn't a 5.7 a "small block? I was always used to cubic inches. A 5.7 is around 350 (347). Now a big block in my old Suburban was a 454 or 7.43973 L

 

The redesign will be on the 2022 not 2021. You should never buy the first year of the redesign. So you will have to wait until 2023 assuming it's a good truck. And can't guarantee that the 5.7 will still be here. So here is my opinion .Life is too short. Get what you like now since it's available and enjoy it .

 

The best time to buy a new car is when you can afford it. So if now is the time you're in your best shape financial wise then go for it. Don't let the fear of missing out ruin it for you.

 

Exactly why I bought my 2020.

 

Likewise ..... Just do it bud if you can afford it . I'm not sure how old you are, but I'm 50 and I used to always hesitate and wait. Now that I'm 50 and more wise, I just get what I want if I can afford it. Life's too short

 

I have a 2007 Tundra extended cab (non-CM) with about 140,000 miles on it. Runs great but I wanted more room in the cab. I thought a lot about getting a 2017 or so CM, but when I went to the local dealer, they had a deal on 2020s where you got an unlimited mileage powertrain warranty for the life of the owner. It is non-transferrable, but it meant that I could get a 2020 and drive it essentially forever, or at least until the hybrids (or whatever comes next...but no more non-hybrid Toyotas by model year 2025 is what dealer told me) come out and had the first few years to work the bugs out.

So, considering it would probably be at least 2027 or 2028 before I'd by the next-gen Tundra/engine package, I could get what I wanted now and be confident in how long it will last while enjoying the room at the same time.

But if the warranty isn't as big a deal, why not get a low mileage, recent year used CM?

 

To the OP,
If you’ve paid off your current DC 2012 I would sell it privately (they’re becoming very popular used for contractors and landscapers) and get into a 2020.
There are some smoking deals out n about, plus unlike other trucks like RAM, FORD etc. the Tundra 2020 isn’t too advanced. Kinda like a trusty old friend who has some new tricks and stories to share with you.

 

If I had the cash laying around I'd go for it. But only if I went all in with 4WD and nice leather and stuff like a 1794 or Pro. My 15 is fine with 85K on the clock but yep it would be nice to have one that was new to keep for pretty much the rest of my life. I'm tired of gadgets and crap. The only gadget I half way like is the back up camera.

 

(they’re becoming very popular used for contractors and landscapers)

Especially if its white!

 

Keep in mind that's only powertrain for the warranty. That's not everything. Powertrains only cover certain areas. Then again, you are in a Toyota and repairs are very small anyway.

 

Yes, that is what I said above (sarcasm haha). I currently own an 07 4Runner 170,000 miles, Scion XA 140,000 miles, 07 Tundra 140,000 miles, 08 Sequoia 202,000 miles, 03 Tundra 200,000 miles (and of course the 2020 CM), a 2019 Highlander (800 miles). In the past ten years I sold two 3rd gen 4Rs with 250,000 miles each and a 5th gen 4R with 80,000 miles, and two 1st gen Sequoias with over 100,000 miles each.

Out of all of those vehicles and miles added up, I've have two repairs: Starter replaced on the 03 Tundra at 190,000 miles and the rear end on the 02 4R at 150,000 miles. Keep in mind that the rear end was a known design flaw.

Other than routine maintenance and a small repair here or there, that is it. So I'm like you in that I have a lot of confidence in Toyotas. If I never have to worry about powertrain costs, I'm confident I won't have to worry about almost anything.

Even without the warranty, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a several year old Tundra that already has 100,000+ miles on it if the maintenance has been kept up.

Long live the Tundra and the great owners at tundras.com!

 

damn now that's some confident history you have of Toyota ownership! It's amazing how well these things are built. I've had a pontiac, dodge, lincoln, mazda all before i leased a civic then turned it in to buy my 14 Tacoma then traded the Tacoma in for my current Tundra. I've put tons of money in those first 4 makes before switching to honda and ultimately Toyota. My wife had a 99 Avalon with 249k miles on it. Still runs and her parents use it as an extra vehicle as needed.

Unlimited PT warranty is always a nice piece of mind to have if it's included and not paid for extra.

There's a lot of uncertainty here about the potential new Tundra with hybrid and twin turbo technology. But with Toyota's history and track record, I have no reason to think they'll have major design issues with it. Other than normal bugs that need worked out.

 

You would hope that is the case but as thing become more complex as they will in the new Tundra reliability will suffer some what. When the new 2016 Tacoma came out there were lots of issues that needed sorting out and it wasn't as reliable as the old Tacoma.

 

Specs of the Lexus ls500 ttv6
416 hp and 442 lb ft torque

specs of the ford raptor ttv6
450 hp and 510 lb ft torque

Lexus/Toyota typically tune down their engines so not to overstrain them.

 

Right. But just like when the second gen tacoma came out, there was the head gasket issue that plagued them until mid 2006 MY. I would never buy the first 2-3 years of a full model year changeover but after that, things get figured out quickly.

 

I would tend to agree with you. That’s one more reason why the new engine may fall short. It’s making less power in car/sedan trim. Toyota will probably detune it further for the Tundra. The similar V6 in the Camry and Sienna makes 300hp. Make what...278 hp in the Tacoma.

I really hope Toyota reads these message boards for market research. I know Ford reads the forums. Toyota: Find your passion and build a truck that inspires us, not just a boring status quo grocery getter.

This is why I like Ram and hope they fix their reliability issues. At least they act like they are truck enthusiasts.

 

If Dodge could get their reliability up to Toyota specs I would buy one in a second.

 

This may help make your mind up.


https://www.tfltruck.com/2020/01/re...new-tundra-may-be-coming-later-than-we-think/

 

I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a 2020 after test driving a Limited with the options I was looking for. (premium pkg, sunroof, stainless running boards, "Bullet" spray in bedliner) I switched from a DC to CM (hard choice since I liked the 6.5ft bed, but wanted a sunroof and power full back window. Both are nice to me). A big factor for me for 2020 was the Apple Car Play now available. MPG is not super critical for me since my daily driver is a 14 Avalon Hybrid and gets mid 40s mpg. The truck is for weekends and towing the sleds and fishing boat on vacations. If gas gets crazy priced I'll just use the hybrid Avalon even more.

I'm actually not too worried about a hybrid in the upcoming Tundra, but do like the V8 and would not buy the first year of a hybrid Tundra just being cautious. I believe Toyota could get the hybrid right the first year, but tweaks for a second year could dial in things missed or make it nicer after learning from the field. I really am enjoying the 2020 Limited and am OK with the TSS features so far. I really like the parking sensors, RCDS, and adaptive cruise. Lane departure is interesting, but I might leave it off unless I'm on a trip and tired. The rear power window on the CM is awesome, but not in winter. I love the LED headlights and running lights and fog lights (great looking and good projection). I don't like the Bridgestone tires, wish they came with Michelin LTXs, but couldn't work a swap since Toyota only uses Bridgestones and Dunlops on 2020 Tundras. All the Dealer Tundras had Bridgestones at every dealer I looked at.

I showed the sales person that you can use the fob for remote start (surprised them). I put an aftermarket tray in the console(the OEM optional tray is pretty useless) I'll be installing a driver's side grab handle when it arrives. I have an OEM tailgate fob lock on the way for install and OEM bed lights. The dealer claimed I would need to carry an extra fob for the tailgate, found not true so installing that myself. If a significantly nicer Tundra arrives in 2021/22 and they get it ironed out by 2023 I might consider trading in. The 2020 is a fine truck for my needs and assures I'll have a V8 with that nice tone (even OEM non TRD) if there is a V6 that sounds wimpy.

 

Congratulations on the new truck! Think you made a smart choice by picking it up. It will still be awhile before the next gen hits. I think they will get the first year right, but bet they tweak it the second or third year. They just tweaked the new rav hybrid on its secon year. Enjoy!

 

I leased my 2020, that way I will have options. If new one comes out and it's amazing I can turn lease in and get new truck. If new one doesn't come out, or don't like It i'll keep my 2020 with the V8. Even if the 2022 is new I'm like many others on here and would want to wait and not get 1st model year of new truck. I love my V8, but I admit a Twin Turbo V6 that makes more power than the V8 with almost double the highway gas mileage and Toyota reliability is awfully damn tempting.

 

Do you know if the power tail gate lock reports with the connect app? The app will let me know if one or more doors are unlocked, didn't know if the tailgate would be included.

 

I don't know but I would guess not. Unless the control module that gives those warnings has the tailgate feature included, it probably does not report if unlocked. And actually, the connect app on mine locks and unlocks and lets you know when done with either. I didn't see where it lets you know about individual doors? Please advise on that.

 

Vehicle Status

 

Thanks,
I didn't know I had that screen, to me it was not intuitive to touch the STATUS icon as it didn't jump out to me as a link. I see what you show and even hood "closed" status below what you show (I'm sure you have it too). So it will be interesting when I install my tailgate locking mechanism to see if it shows up. I bet it won't. I would think sunroof would also show up but it doesn't.

 

No the sunroof doesn't show up but you have me curious about the tail gate.

 

Tailgate wont show up because the kit you install doesn't contain a module. It locks tapping into the door lock/unlock wires in the passenger kick panel.

 

So it should lock with the App, just no notification.