1st oil change with Toyota care

Speaking of “comfort factor” @1engineer, you are the same guy that said in a previous post you wouldn’t touch a used vehicle unless it had service records from a dealer. To me that is one hell of a false sense of security especially if that said vehicle has no warranty.
But, I guess sometimes even you like that “comfort factor”.

 

Do what you want man. You didn't hit any nerve. Just wanted to let you know "Comfort level" is not a unit of measurement lol.

 

No, that's data from a historically more reliable source than a weekend warrior with a roll of electrical tape, a dream and a six pack. But good try.

 

Oh, please post. I’d love to see that.
Nice insult! But, you’re wrong, I have a twelve pack and two rolls of electrical tape.

 

Just curious, if you have the Flex Fuel option and you don't use E85, do you still have to change it every 5K miles?

 

Yes, if you want to protect the warranty.

 

The FFV engine is designed, sanctioned and advertised by Toyota to run on 85% ethanol. E85. When you buy a FFV vehicle Toyota must assume that you will run E85 in it. Accordingly they set their maintenance program and INTERVALS based on this. That you will be running E85. And so therefore.....POOF: 5,000 mile intervals is their recommendation for the FFV engine. If you DON'T run E85 in your Tundra then you (OK, really me) can run their 10,000 mile interval. A shit pot of confusion perpetuated by our stupid imperial federal guvmunt.

Full disclosure. I have a 2017 FFV 5.7L engine. I have run 10,000 mile engine oil changes, with filter. Each batch goes to Blackstone Labs. Nothing but blazing good reports back from Blackstone. They actually have suggested that I can very comfortably go to 13,000 miles. I run Mobil 1 0W20 and use Mama Toyota filters.

Please don't ever forget: YMMV.

 

Where do they even sell E85 anymore? I don't think I have seen the stuff in 10 years. I tried E85 one time in a rental car designed for Flex just because it was cheaper... the fuel mileage was atrocious, to put it lightly. I don't know who would use the stuff unless the station was out of everything else.

 

I think he's just referring to the hundreds of threads on every motor vehicle forum about "what oil should I use" or "how often should I change my oil"

I agree, do what's comfortable, but I just follow the book.

 

Haha we are not. As normal humans, we as a group are probably the most flawed. Question... do you second guess your brake design every time you hit them? Do you stop and examine every bridge before you cross? How about tunnels?
Tall buildings? Do you do calculations on tire design before you buy a set? Check the capacitor operation on your new microwave? I can go on and on lol.

You know why people with limited to no knowledge question the oil change interval so much?
Because that is one of the last throwbacks to previous generation machines. Something the shade tree mechanic can still do or debate.

 

Absolutely, and so do I. But, if someone else feels better about a different interval then more power to them.

 

Toyota engineers may have made better machines, but has oil gotten better? Serious question

They are allowed to blend “synthetic” oil down more than in the past.

 

Oil is oil. It's the same as it was 100 years ago but we have much better refining capabilities.
Synthetic is much better than even 10 years ago.
In addition, engine tolerances and internal distribution methods are designed for the less viscous synthetic fluids.

 

Alright, I’m going to sign off this subject.
I agree that 10,000 mile intervals is perfectly acceptable. I follow the manufacturer recommendations. What I don’t agree with and the point of my argument is that because some group of engineers make a decision, (usually based on as much factual data as they can use) that the correct path is to follow them like a herd of sheep.
Have a great Sunday, everyone.

 

Mooo

 

This is kinda what I do.

I have a 2010 and the manual calls for 5w/30, so this is what I use.

But I likewise only change it every 10,000 miles.

Does anyone remember the NPR radio show "Click and Clack"? I used to love that show and I pretty much trusted their advice implicitly.

Back in the day when cars weren't built anywhere near as well as they are now, manufacturers used to recommend oil changes every 3000 miles and Click and Clack thought that was way too often, for a number of reasons, not the least of which was environmental. That is a lot of oil that either goes down the drain or maybe gets recycled.

Plus, engines are made made so much better now, with tighter tolerances, than they were in the 70's and 80's.

Click and Clack thought every 7000 miles was just fine and that was with dinosaur oil.

So based on that I decided to change oil every 10,000 miles with synthetic Mobil One.

 

That’s a cow.

 

The saddest thing is how many people never change their oil. My dad ran his land cruiser 120k miles on 3 oil changes. Thing sat for 2 years after. Then started up just fine! Zero issues

 

Even if they have no clue what they are talking

A friend of mine went 100K on no oil changes on a Honda. He checked it and added if needed. I think he ended up adding two quarts in 100K miles. He disclosed it, they changed it with no problems.

I have used Blackstone many times. Not so much any more because 10K was too soon!

 

Get a different dealer, won't change the oil filter on an oil change??? even if you are a few km early????

 

I would find a different dealer my dealer understands that my truck is a FFV and did the oil change and filter with no hassle at 5k. I never understood why there are dealers out there that are too stupid to realize what is in the maintenance manual for the vehicles they service.

 

I’m no mechanic but isn’t one of the benefits of synthetic to extend the time between oil changes? I’m using Amsoil and changing once a year.

 

Get over it man. You’re condescending garbage is offending half the members at least on this site that “have no clue what they are talking about” and choose to change their oil at their own chosen interval.

Does it make you feel tough to belittle people? Calling them weekend warriors with a roll of electrical tape and a six pack” and “who have no clue what they are talking about” simply because they dont fall in line with your mindset?
State you’re opinion without trying to beef your self up with putting people down.

 

Even if 10k interval is ok. 5k is just better. Who cares if it is unnecessary, an extra 50 bucks a year in stuff to keep an expensive engine perfect. Is it wasteful? Maybe maybe not. If my motor lasts longer that is a long run efficiency.

The fact that ffv and regular engines have difference intervals kinda proves that manufacturing tolerances are not the end all be all.

 

I believe that’s one of the main benefits.

 

Careful, you’ll be ripped on by @1engineer for not agreeing with the almighty.

 

Synthetic is also supposed to be more stable in hot environments, and dino oil doesn’t exist in 0w. I like the 0w part of the oil for faster start up. But i swear the motor is smoother on a hot day with 5w-30

 

I just need to learn to stay away from these forums. Seriously.
I told you in my first.post that I defer to the people who designed the machine, no matter whether it is a microwave, vaccuum cleaner or pickup truck. Some of you have decided you know more than the engineers who designed these machines by changing maintenance intervals. They use excuses, not hard fact, to justify this. Now who is blowing smoke? BTW, what do you call someone who, arbitrarily without a shred of evidence, decide to do things their way instead of the correct way?
I also said I could care less how often you change your oil, just don't use myth to justify it. Just do it.

My buddy did and went 100K with no oil changes. He didn't post his justification on a Honda forum either.

 

Which Mobil 0w20? AFE or EP?

 

Ohhhhh Lorty. Dare we pop-the-top on ---- 100% synthetic oil (like Amsoil) vs. Full synthetic oil (like most retail synthetics including our beloved Mobil 1)???

Dare we?

Maybe we should just dance. It's Sunday night.