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Maxed out GVWR with an Rpod?

Discussion in 'Towing & Hauling' started by wsutundra, Jul 12, 2021.

  1. Jul 13, 2021 at 9:36 AM
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    You could always look into a Trailer Toad as a payload solution.
     
  2. Jul 13, 2021 at 9:56 PM
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    Yes you're close to the GVWR but won't have any issues towing a Rpod with a Tundra. Using a properly set up WD hitch with sway control will help for a smooth ride. I tow a 24' TT with about a 600lbs tongue weight and I'm just at and sometimes above my GVWR. Tundra has no issues.

    BTW there is nothing illegal about towing over your GVWR non commercially. Not saying it's a smart thing to do and experience and common sense must be the deciding factor if your set up is safe. You can tow a light trailer unsafely and you can tow a heavy trailer safely. The scary part is that the lack of common sense that is used when towing.
     
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  3. Jul 13, 2021 at 11:03 PM
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    I would state that differently.

    There is no law about GVWR overloading in a non-commercial situation. Believe me, I have been fined for not having my overloaded/registration in my commercial truck days.

    Not long ago I was pulled into one of those roadside DOT checkpoints. The the DOT officer informed me my trailer was over the GCWR. I smiled and said “I know” and “If I were in commerce it would matter but since I’m not it doesn’t.” (11500+16000=27500 lbs)

    Just because there isn’t a law in some state/federal law book for POV, doesn’t mean negligence can’t cost you. It will be very hard to argue someone is being within reasonable limits of the manufactures recommendations. What those reasonable limits are? Who knows. I could see 200 lbs being argued that it was still safe. 500-1000 lbs? Probably not.

    This week in fact I had to pull materials off my trailer. My neighbor needed some supplies and the estimated weight was not even in the ballpark. I scaled just over 18k lbs with the trailer axles and truck rear axle. I had them pull off 2500 lbs in stone since I was so close to my 23200 lbs GCWR. 5DC95185-D707-4F9A-A3AC-5BC8A93E86E0.jpg

    My neighbor didn’t understand what all these numbers meant. We had a short class on the way home.
     
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  4. Jul 13, 2021 at 11:05 PM
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    The door jamb ratings suck. There’s no way around it. You can’t even utilize the entire truck at once and stay within your limits. Got a bed full of gravel or dirt? Better be driving alone. Got a cab full of grown men? Better not have anything in the bed.

    I drove from TN to CO for family vacation last week. Saw LOADS of Tundras. I guarantee you 90% of them were overweight. Racks, tents, skids, awnings, jerry cans, water jugs, bumpers with oversized spares on them, etc. No wonder everyone ignores the numbers. You can’t hardly do anything with the truck if you pay attention to them.

    Every aftermarket overlanding outfitter that built a badass Tundra to advertise its wares? Overweight with a driver and full gas tank. Guaranteed. Tacomas, too.

    I love my truck but I carry my entire world (EDIT: meaning my family. I do NOT overpack) in it on our adventures. I was the guy who didn’t think to check the door jamb when I bought it because I wasn’t planning on towing anything. I did enough research online to find out that a 4x4 CrewMax was good for towing 9800lb. “Ok, good. This’ll certainly carry more than the 4Runner I’m trading in,” I thought. NOPE. :facepalm:400 lb less, in fact.

    Who thinks to advertise a towing capacity of 10k lbs that, if utilized, puts the truck over GVWR? Toyota, apparently.
    :annoyed::annoyed::annoyed:
     
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  5. Jul 14, 2021 at 4:26 AM
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    You really think you can tow 13,000 lbs with the average F150 you see on a dealer's lot and not be over payload?
     
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  8. Jul 14, 2021 at 4:36 AM
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    If tongue weight of that load is 15%, that’s 1950 lbs, and the truck is rated for 2200 lbs of payload, then it’s doable per Ford’s ratings.

    I’d never do it of course, but at least the math works out.
     
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  9. Jul 14, 2021 at 5:01 AM
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    How many Fords on dealer lots (i.e. not special orders) actually have 2200 lbs of payload, though? That's an honest question, I'm not trying to be combative.
     
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    Payload = GVWR - curb weight

    GVWR is fixed at 7200 lbs. The number in the sticker on the door may be decreased by 150 lbs to account for a driver but when have those been accurate enough to rely on anyway?
     
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    I think the ones rated for towing 13k are rated for 2200lb of payload. It’s probably regular cab 2wd trucks. I’m sure it’s not the average 4wd crew cab.
     
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    I’d love to see a bone stock Tundra with a driver and a full tank of gas go to a CAT scale. Subtract that weight from the GVWR on the door jamb, and see if you end up with the listed payload capacity. That would definitively answer whether the allowance is made for a 150-lb driver.

    The way I read the door jamb, though, it does not omit the driver’s weight from the payload rating. The language is “occupants and cargo” must not exceed 1270 lb, not “passengers and cargo”…

    The driver is an occupant, but not a passenger.
     
  13. Jul 14, 2021 at 5:17 AM
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    I think a lot of folks would be surprised how much their unloaded Tundras actually weigh. I weighed mine after going to the dump and was surprised…6,100 lbs with just me and half a tank of gas. I have AT tires and a few other mods that apparently ate up 200 lbs of payload.

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    Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's confusion with the one towing standard (forget the number) that accounts for a driver (and maybe a passenger too) in the reported towing capacity.
     
  15. Jul 14, 2021 at 5:22 AM
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    Fully agreed. My GVWR-payload is 7200-1270=5930.
    I’m pushing 6k lb bone stock. :bananadead:
     
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    My comments were directed at the OP in regards to him being over GVWR. No one would ever consider pulling a Rpod with a Tundra as being negligent. That's were the common sense has to kick in.

    .....I made the change to my statement.
     
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    It's an interesting story but how many of these guys are actually within 300 lbs of the payload capacity of their trucks? Is that enough of a derate to really make a difference? Sure, on a Tundra, 300 lbs is 25% of your payload capacity. On an F350, it's less than 10%.
     
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    This is my tundra stock with me In it and a half tank of gas. It has the factory Bedliner, a light weight tonneau cover, and some tube steps. That’s it. It’s a heavy truck.

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    My neighbor’s 4x4 Limited DC has a payload of 1300 lbs. Only 30lb more than mine. I guess he can fit 30lb worth of stuff in his extra foot of bed. His GVWR is 7100 vs my 7200.
    :notsure:
     
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