Why no new posts in the engine failures thread?

You can do that on the company too- If you think Toyota has a good product strategy, people need to buy new cars and they will weather the Tundra problem, buy the stock or call options which are cheap.

If you think Toyota is a lying funk pot that is going to circle the drain faster than a Texas twister you can buy put options for next to nothing. Make a bunch of money with a low financial risk and thumb your nose at everyone.

 

It's entirely possible that all the members here that have had failures have already reported it. You have to remember that the 3rd gen population on this forum is a very small percentage of the overall 3rd gen tundra ownership population.

 

What about the ones that were pointed here from other sites like Facebook and Reddit?

 

I am with you, Ride or die !!

I remember Covid happening and the world was ending, everyone panicking, online typing like a mad man, Trump telling people to drink bleach, I ran out and bought 3 homes…those 3 homes are up a combined $800,000. People make too many decisions, or liv in a state of panic over “what I heard”

 

Were they compelled at gun point to come here, sign up, and post in the thread? No? Then the option being offered doesn't mean they would do it.

 

Don’t know the coercion used by the whiney bitches on Facebook but it was a pattern

 

Probably a great time to buy a Tundra on the cheap. But no thanks.

 

I don't believe the issue is that bad. I don't believe Toyota has trucks secretly parked at the end of the lots. I believe just like with anything else on the internet, you have about 30 percent truth, and 70 percent a bunch of people with blogs and podcasts giving their opinion on something. I am going to trust that Toyota/Lexus will figure everything out. Also, everyone that has an issue with their truck believe it or not is not going to run to the Tundra Forum to vent. They deal with those that matter to rectify the situation. For the most part.

 

Ditto! Finally someone speaks power to truth!

 

Part of the reason is they currently don't have the parts to fix all 100,000 plus trucks under the recall according to several of the consumer reporting sites. Other manufacturers are now refusing to take Tundras as trade ins due to the recall as they do not want to be stuck with a truck with no expected get well date if it is affected by the recall. IF you are will to buy a new Tundra in the next few months it my be a very good time for big discount but might be time for Toyota to step up with some warranties if they want to build up customer trust.

 

What??

 

The engine failure thread was not shut down. The Recall thread was shut down. It had devolved into bickering, fighting, and general asshole behavior. The engine failure thread is still open and stickied the last time I checked.

 

One of the beauties of the slimy big 3 was I was able to discern early that both my 6.0L and 6.4L diesels needed to be traded / sold before the internet public figured out it was garbage and resale would tank.

The issue some folks have here is the public recall announcement is Toyota taking responsibility. That’s good. The bad is they told the uninformed and fanboi types that their sh!t is in the street. Unfortunately, many, to include me, didn’t have a chance to offload the vehicle before the used car managers figured it out.

The recall announcement actually removed the ability to trade the truck away without taking a larger than normal hit to resale.

I’m personally pissed as a hybrid owner. It’s not recalled, but tainted either way in the world of public perception. I was 60/40 this truck and the GMC LZ0. This time I chose wrong, but I’m not irrational enough to lose $10k extra because of perception.

 

Just talked to 2 dealers today with similar stories. One said “up to 8% of trucks between late 22 and up to February 24” and the other said “up to 12% since introduction and up through March 2024 build dates are possibly affected.” Latter guy said had one they received in May with a March 24 build date that Toyota told them is possibly affected. They did not put a stop sale on it, but did tell them the vin is affected in tmi system so they have pulled it from the lot. Both said Hybrids are not affected. One said he thinks not just because they can retain power via electric the other said no they are assembled differently and were not affected at all. One guy had no idea on fix. Th other thinks fix will be if under 20k miles, thorough engine flush, if over 20k new crate engine. One guy had not seen the issue first hand. The other said they have had 4 trucks come back with the issue and all have been in the last year. What they saw was sudden bad engine knocking on 3 and one suddenly seized. The first two Toyota asked them to rebuild ( 4-6 weeks) . However he said last two Toyota had them put brand new crate engines in both and they wanted the complete original engine shipped back to them. Even wanted the used oil shipped with it to port of Houston and not engine assembly in Alabama. Does that mean going back to Japan and not Alabama? I think final assembly is out of San Antonio and then distributed out of Houston.

My take is this is a pretty big issue, but Toyota is moving towards making it right by replacing entire engine, but some heads are going to roll in Alabama.

 

Those guys are a bunch of retards. Closest dealer to me, and where I bought mine, but I know more about my truck than they do.

 

I’ve encountered this. Some clearly know a ton and do their homework. However every once in awhile you run into someone truly incompetent. Lady at my local dealer told me the new tundra is a v8 and the new v6 is only in the Tacoma….I wanted to tell her to just stop talking

 

You’re saying two Tundras had their engines replaced with crate engines? That’s the first I’ve heard of that. Are you sure and can you confirm?

 

Yep that’s what the he said, but I cannot personally confirm this was just an oral representation made by a sales rep.

He said in the two latest cases Toyota wanted the complete problem engine sent to port of Houston untouched even asked them to send the motor oil with it. He also mentioned that rebuilding the engine takes a long time. He did want to assure me that an all four cases this was all done at no cost to the customer under warranty. I would allow that it could be complete BS and he was making this all up but seemed like an all right guy. Admitted to the recall issue and seem to want to explain the situation from his perspective. I talked to three or four other sales reps on trucks I was interested in yesterday who told me there’s no recall. I know those guys were completely full of BS!

The sales rep talking about the crate engine replacement was one of the larger dealership located in North Texas. Lots and lots of new tundras on the road here in North Texas. My take is they sell a lot of volume and four trucks isn’t that bad.

The other sales rep I spoke to that seemed open and honest to talk about the issue was in Arkansas who said no failures personally seen, but readily admitted it was a real issue. He was the one who mentioned they had a March 24 build date on the lot that they had pulled from inventory due to its vin being included in the TMI system as part of the issue.

 

I saw on one of the videos online that one of the forums has a public spreadsheet where owners are submitting their trucks with this issue including model year, hybrid/nonhybrid and build date.

Does anyone know where this is?

 

It used to be here but the person keeping it updated got banned

Here's the link to the spreadsheet. No idea if it's still being updated.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17lX2NAC70TUArOpvdH7IQJKCX5E50vAXpeUogyH5shM/htmlview

 

People are ashamed they didnt heed the warnings from others.

 

Hahaha ain't that the truth. Test drove the 2025 Camry yesterday. Had to explain the switchgear and how to change the cluster readout widgets to the sales dude, and he's been in the biz for a long time (first sold me my 2014 Taco when I met him). And I had never seen the vehicle in person before. At least he TELLS ME "I have no idea, let's look it up".

I was in the service department watching them PDI a new Lunar Rock Tundra, they said no blown engines at their facility. I'm 100% not worried and love my rig.

SMH "heed warnings..." FFS

 

this dealer is terrible and concerns me again that they are treating Toyota consumers this way. I push that further up to the company. This kind of press is bad.

I hope Toyota spends the money and puts the effort in to make this right so dealerships aren’t giving Toyota or potential Toyota owners the finger.

Imo they should spend what ever it takes to ensure they don’t become the next BMW.

 

And here is the perfect example of the problem with these kinds of topics and social media:

One or two people says they couldn’t trade their trucks in. At least one on this forum and one on Facebook. For all anyone knows, those two people are actually the same person posting in two places.

Next, some blogspam “news” site picks up the anecdotes and writes some story about the issue citing those one or two anecdotes. Then, youtubers and other blog sites and even some real news start citing that original blogspam website as their source.

That allows people to post all these “different” sources as proof that there’s a massive widespread issue of dealers not taking trade ins on 3rd gen tundras. It makes it **seem** like this is happening to everyone!

Of course a little bit of critical thinking skills would allow someone to realize that, oh wait, it ultimately all goes back to one or two anecdotes with no real quantifiable evidence whatsoever.

But the rumor has already spread around the Earth three times anyway…

 

Every Toyota Dealer will take your trade. Thats not the problem.
The problem is for them to sell it, it needs to be a "Toyota Certified Used Vehicle"
For this to happen all recalls need to be completed.
So what happens is Toyota low balls you on price, you accept to buy a new vehicle, and they immediately wholesale on the market. Get rid of it.
Other non-Toyota dealers buying it, don't have issues with picking these up cheap and re-selling as is.
So do your due dilligence when buying a used one.

 

The certified is not the issue

Issue is dealers are over supply on Tundras. No reason to buy one to stack if you got a 90+ day in stock with more trucks inbound.

So they will give you the wholesale trade in value in hopes of moving a new one

 

This is just not true. Toyota doesn't have to certify it to sell it. They can buy one of these recalled Tundras and turn around and sell it tomorrow. The only thing that is true is that if they want to market the vehicle as Certified Pre Owned, then the recalls have to be cleared. I bought my 2023 Capstone used and the only reason they couldn't sell it CPO is because it didn't have a second key fob. Had it been CPO, it would have cost probably $2-3k more.

 

Exactly!

 

This is what my post was implying. My information came from a dealer.
The couple vehicles we have bought from Toyota in the past used - well everything they were selling on the lot was CPO. Then the Pandemic hit, supplies got hit and used dealers started selling every brand.
If they are over loaded with Tundras, there is a bigger chance they will off load them as well. Especially if the trade in $$$ value was low.
As far as how much the $$ difference this new engine recall makes, if buying un-CPO'ed when it is sold, versus if it was CPO'ed. Well that is to be determined. JMO