Why is the F150 so bad mouthed?

I have a 2007 Ford with 130K miles with zero issues over the past 10 years. Also have a 2014 Platinum Tundra I love as well and a 2017 Raptor on order. I think they are both great vehicles but Toyota clearly reigns for resale value if you calculate your Cost per mile of Ownership, as I always do. That is why I ordered the new Raptor, its the only Ford truck that holds its value like a Tundra.

 

A 2001 Supercrew is the reason why I have bought 2 Tacomas and will soon buy a Tundra. I was a diehard Ford owner for 25+ years. That said I had a 1997, year of a complete redesign, that had 187k on it when sold with nothing done except brakes, plugs, and a cat.

 

We seem to be on the same page with most of our thoughts but......

I'll have to disagree on the apples to apples when comparing trim levels. Hell even a Lariat F150 can option out with..... leather heated/cooled seats, 360 degree camera, back up camera, adaptive cruise control,power running boards ( AMP ), trailer back up assist , heated steering wheel, lane keeping assist, tailgate step, power adjustable pedals, LED headlights, self park assist ( truck steers you do the gas and brake ) 6.5' bed with crew cab, and so on.

The F150 Lariat with above options will sticker for 58,000 to 62,000 but you can expect to pay 46,000 to 48,000.
The Tundra platinum I'm considering is stickered at 52,000 and the dealer wont come under 48,000'
So they also compare with actual purchase price.

Move up in trim level to a limited or platinum and you start getting things like massaging seats.

So I'll stand by my statment that a F150 Lariat or even a optioned out XLT compares directly with the platinum Tundra.

F150 XLT features that are not available on the SR5....

Heated seats, power adjustable pedals, trailer back up assist, adaptive cruise control, tailgate step, dual zone climate control, multiple choices in 18" and 20" rims. These are just off the top of my head.


My buddy bought an optioned out XLT stickered at 50,000 for 38,000. 38 is right about SR5 pricing.

That said, I still prefer the Tundra

 

Me too because I do not need half the gizmos on the Ford. I have been backing trailers for 35 years and I do not remember the last time I parallel parked.

 

I agree with you guys. Most of those F150 options don't really appeal to me....... but.

Would be nice if that Platinum Tundra had a few of them.

I'd like a better back up camera, the video quality was pretty bad in the Tundra.

Heated steering wheel

Adjustable pedal's really are helpful in finding a comfortable seating position

No 6.5' bed with the crew cab ..... well that just plain sucks. Not a deal breaker but close.

The JBL system is pretty pitiful. I was surprised how weak it was.

And the darn screen was totally washed out on a sunny day.


Self parking, 360 degree camera, trailer back up assist are things I don't feel a need for or even desire at all.

Just expected a Platinum or 1794 trim level to have adjustable pedals, heated steering wheel, better camera and a decent sounding audio system with a screen you can actually see on a sunny day.
Most disappointing was the lack of power folding heated tow mirrors. Prefer tow mirrors but power fold is a must have.

I'm still considering the F150 and Tundra and may even add the Ram to the list.
Love the interior storage on the Ram and that rambox in the fenders may be ugly but it would come in real handy for me.
Just sold my 2003 Cummins Ram and that truck was solid and dependable. Just normal maintenance and two recalls for a power steering hose and tranny line ( both fixed before I took delivery of the truck ) only failure was a HVAC blend door.

 

This. The backup cam was pretty meh. I thought about trading in my 2010 but the truck overall wasn't enough for me to justify having payments again. Plus, my 2010 is still a baby under 80k lol.

I will say in terms of drivability and comfort, I personally like the Tundra. It feels much more "hardy" to me.

 

Sorry its taken so long to get back on the forum. Kidney stone that flat trashed me. Not over yet.

ColoradoTJ My dealership experience.
Stopped in at Hendricks Toyota here in KC this last June. Looked at a 1794 that I liked. Nice young salesman showed me the whistles and bells and I asked for a brochure to see what all the Tundra options were available. Agreed to go inside and he pulls out a sheet and wants all my contact information. I refused and gave him my cell only as I felt he wouldn't give me the brochure until he had at least something of mine. I thought about giving him a wrong number but I liked the kid. He smiles and says "I understand". Introduction to a (pending heart attack) sales manager who had earlier given me the "fresh meat stink eye" from the far corner of the new very large showroom. Lots of 20 somethings running all over the place trying to make the customers think they must be selling the last Toyotas just off the assembly line. I could have walked out with a case of bottled water with all the offers that were made.
Now the bad news: Two hours later I'm home and my phone rings: dealer customer care associate wants to know how my salesman "took care of me". I told him he did just fine, I liked him and do not call me for any more "reasons". I received 17 more phone calls over the next 2 weeks from both male and female from this dealership. The dumbest, lamest excuses for the calls. That sales manager must be a direct descendent of Albert Einstein as he knows he heads and shoulder smarter than any staff and definitely above any poor smuck that walks in their front door. I checked in August and asked for the young salesman I had met earlier. "He no longer works here" I was told. No doubt he was not pushy enough.

Stopped in at two other Toyota dealership later, both were like a breath of fresh air. Those Hendricks dealerships which are nationwide have got to be a meat grinder to work in. They give a worse name to an already disgusting term of "used car salesman".

 

I'd assume that many here, like myself, have owned other makes of pickups. I've owned multiple GM and Dodge products, still own a Dodge 2500 CTD, but have only ever owned one F-150. Because one was all it took to learn my lesson. LOL.

Honestly couldn't care less what blows a guy's hair back- drive what you want- but I know from experience what I'll never own again.

 

+1, once you have owned a Ford 5.4 you will never go back

 

+2 Ford 5.4 triton

 

I started contributing to this site a little over 10 years ago. A great resource.
http://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability
It is only as good as owners reporting but it seems pretty accurate. Worth a look.

 

This is a great web site. Best head to head comparison I've ever seen that is based strictly on hard facts without boneheaded emotions adding into the equation. Thanks for this info.