Why is the F150 so bad mouthed?

Love this guy! Got a vortec engine made out of real tornadoes.

 

oh shit this got me laughing out loud at my desk. Good way to kick off the afternoon.

 

As a "Ford guy" I will say this. I'm in a Tundra over a bad dealer experience with a transmission warranty. I took the opportunity to lease a Tundra for two years. My F150 was a loaded Ecoboost screw. I think the domestics push technology so far that they outrun quality control. Toyota has perfected their truck in terms of reliability. But- at the expense of trying to keep up. I'm a big Ecoboost fan. My wife drives a 2015 Expedition with the Ecoboost. It screams. The 15+ F150 is a great truck. I've got friends with them. One is a 600 hp Roushcharged 5.0.
That said- the Tundra does everything it's supposed to do and does it well.
It's an old school truck. I really have no complaints. Mpg is decent, brakes are great, power is good, and it rides well. My only nit picks are the pretty loose handling compared to my old F150 and the transmission gearing in OD. I live in wv and even with over 400ft lbs and 4.30 gears it downshifts on hills.

 

Dave,
Thanks for your response. What year was your truck that you had a tranny problem with?

 

I test drove a 2016 F-150 before buying my 3rd Tundra. I actually like Fords, having owned several in the past. I found the handling to be sloppy, and the transmission wanted to downshift at the slightest press of the gas. I didn't feel like the interior was the quality of the Tundra, either. Looking out the windshield, I got a strange view of the windshield wipers all the time, which I thought was distracting. I left wondering why the F-150 sells as well as it does. I average 18.5 MPG in my Tundra on hilly Colorado highways with some city driving mixed in.

 

2014. I had a random wrench light and noticed the transmission would limit upshifts to third gear. Dealer confirmed it was an electrical connector in the valvebody. Instead of replacing it (cheap $$), they cleaned it. Upon picking the truck up, it had ridiculously harsh shifts. Dealer told me to keep driving it. I did- until it started making noise. They told me 2-3 weeks on repair. I called 2 1/2 weeks in and they hadn't touched it. So I ended up trading it on the Tundra. The Tundra is my only other preference for a truck. My son and I drove a Tundra and new F150 back to back. He liked the F150 interior a lot more. But, if I were buying another F150, I want to wait on either the rumored diesel, or let the new EB and 10 speed prove themselves. If that happens at the end of my lease, I'll be back in the F150. Nothing wrong with the Tundra. I do like it.

 

Tundra 5.7l with a SC will get over 17mpg... Just do that.

 

650h1'
I'm still learning---what is the "SC"?

 

Supercharged

 

Don't care too much at all for the aluminum body. Total turn off.

 

I'm a factory trained FORD technician, working on Lincolns and Mercury's. I purchased a 2016 Tundra SR5 4X4, That should speak tons on the lack of longevity of the ford trucks. Yes with my discounts I could of got it cheap but didnt want to go cheap.

-Jason

 

I wonder if there is any research figures that show the percentage of problems for the different makes by year. Based on my '02, my Tundra would be a clear winner. I was surprised that Consumer Reports did "Not Recommend" the current Tundra. I think this is the first time I've ever seen a Tundra not recommended.

 

Story please

 

A lot of ford experts here on the tundra forum. Owned a 13 EB, sticker was $53k - I paid 38 OTD. The rebates were nuts. Did an $800 tune for 93 octane, got more hp and torque than a tundra with a 5.7, and still got 22 mpg. Towing mpg sucks, 10 constantly. That was with a 6k lb trailer. When you're just driving the truck and want to move, hit the gas and you will roast the tires through 3rd gear easy. If you tow light, like 500-2500#, you can't even tell a trailer is back there since you get most of the torque from 2500 rpm +

with that said the truck was in the shop twice for warranty work, the a/c in the seats stopped working, replaced a relay and it was good to go.
the backup camera stopped working, again replaced a relay and it worked fine. truck has 75k? miles on it right now, still runs good. There was a small 'skid' plate under the transmission, it was flimsy, and you can bend it with your hands with minimal work. I hit a tree stump off road and it got ripped off.

Maintenance was easy, but messy. The filter sticks out on the engine block and when you take it off, excess oil runs down.
7500 mile intervals, change cabin filter along with the ventilated seat filters annually was the only odd ball maintenance items.

 

What were the HP and Torque #'s for $800?

 

I owned an 2010 f150 with the 5.4 v8. I liked the truck, but the transmission would upshift, sometimes when I took my foot off the gas. I would then press the gas and get no power, until a couple seconds passed and it eventually downshifted. Between that and when my third brake light leaked and flooded the cab, I decided to trade it in. I now drive a 2012 Tundra. I love it. I had a EB f150 rental while I was getting a dent fixed in my Tundra. I liked how hard the AC blew and the interior ergonomics, but the engine seemed underpowered until the turbo kicked in. It was nice, but I would have looked at a superduty if I was seriously considering a ford. I'll always double down on reliability, which Toyota provides.

 

Wow......pathetic. Sad thing is sales idiots don't stop to realize they'd get more sales if they'd just be upfront and honest instead of trying to screw people with false hopes and false pretense.

 

I have a friend out here who is one of the lead mechanics at his dealership. He recommended staying away from current model raptors because of the ecoboost due to it's high failure rate. Do you see more 3.5's in the shop over the previous gen 6.2 V8's?

Still super interesting to see they ditched high output V8 for a forced induction system.

 

I'm also in the market for a new truck, Tundra and f150 are at the top of my list. The local Toyota dealer was nice enough to let me take a white platinum for 24 hours My buddy has a 16 F150 2.7 ecoboost and came over so I compared both next to each other. Then drove both back to back
My thoughts on both trucks.
F150
Much more up to date interior Audio/information systems are light years ahead of the Tundra.
Seats, not very comfortable ( for me ) Preferred the brakes, found them responsive but not touchy. ( Tundra seemed like you need a very light foot)
Engine, I was shocked, that little 2.7 ecoboost has a ton of torque. Felt more powerful than the 5.7 at 1/4 to 3/4 pedal. Floor both trucks and The Tundra feels stronger but at normal every day driving the baby ecoboost has so much torque.
The 2.7 eco did feel less refined and not quite as smooth as the 5.7.
Sound, 5.7 wins by a long shot. Really a great sounding v8.
Bed, nice that Ford offers a 6.5' bed with the crew cab.
Aluminum body, the quality control is not up to snuff. Panel gaps not consistent.

Tundra

Interior dated, JBL audio pretty much sucks.
Seats MUCH more comfortable ( for me, subjective)
Brakes, a bit touchy but feel powerful, I'd adjust to the feeling.
Steering, VERY light. I love the steering of the Tundra but I would think many people would find it too light.
Engine ( 5.7 ) great sound, smooth and refined feel, powerful but you need 3/4 pedal or more to feel that power. Seems weak in the low end torque.
Over all build quality seems much higher everything from body panel alignment to how the doors close.


More thoughts

The Tundra handles better for me, smoother a bit softer. The F150 did feel a tad firmer and more sporty but I want a truck not a sports car. The Tundra absorbed bumos better.

Looks/appeal Tundra hands down, F150's are so common it gets boring to look at.

Back seat comfort, I give the nod to the Tundra. The F150 flat floor seems better if you haul more stuff than people.

Driver comfort, loved the Tundra, F150 not so much. The seats seem smaller, less comfortable and if I have the seat how I want it, my left knee rests right on a sharp corner from the arm rest. That soft spot just to the left of your knee cap.... ouch. I drive with my legs spread out a bit ( big balls ) may not be an issue for other people.


Engines, I'd probably get a 5.0 if I go F150 but have not driven one yet.

MPG holy hell drove the Tundra and F150 on the same loop. Tundra got 14 and the little 2.7 ecoboost was 26.....wow !

My buddy drives like a granny but he is averaging 24mpg the truck has 4000 miles now.

Price, this is where I have an issue. My friends truck is a loaded xlt that stickered at 50,000 he special ordered it got delivery in just over 4 weeks and paid 38,000 before taxes !!!!

The platinum I test drove is stickered at 52,000 and the dealer won't come under 48,000

Honestly the F150 XLT ( with options ) is much more up to date inside, better audio, better infotainment system, better back up camera. Power adjustments for brake gas pedal and so on.

The Tundra platinum compares with a very loaded XLT or average Lariat F150, trucks that sticker from 49,000 to 58,000 but you can buy them much cheaper.

I have a hard time spending 10,000 more for the Tundra. Think the Tundra is a better truck ( for me ) but a bit dated and over priced.

The Tundra platinum seems most comparable with a Lariat F 150 but Ford offers the king ranch, platinum and limted trims above that. They are light years ahead of the Tundra platinum when it come to interior, cameras and all the electronic doo dads. Get the right rebates and time of year at your at or below the Tundra price.

Bothers me to be considering the Tundra plat at 46-48ish and knowing the audio sucks, the backup camera looks like its from 1982 and no adjustment for the pedals or a heated steering wheel.

Come on Toyota, I love the Tundra but your a decade behind in the interior options but priced above the competition.

The flip side, no doubt the Tundra is reliable partly because its dated. Thats a big plus for me.
I like the V8 sound and trust it long term over the ecoboost motors.
Much better quality control on the Tundra.

Pretty sure I get a slight erection when I look at the Tundra....may need 3-4 beers before I sleep with the Ford.


Possible Tundra issues

Steering rack
Cam tower leak
Rust ?

Possible F150 issues

Leaking moonroof
Wind noise bad door alignment/door seals
Long term aluminum body issues ?
Ecoboost issues
Transfer case noise
Vacuum hub issues
Poor self image because Im not in a Tundra
Leaking 3rd brake light
Master cylinder failure ( the NHTSA just opened Another investigation into F150 3.5 ecoboost brake failure)

 

I kinda fell into my Tundra. I was eyeballing a 6.0 GMC at the dealer. I drove it and was far less than impressed. It was a 2012 iirc so maybe it had some "bad" miles on it or something. Had no snap, nothing, felt like my old 300ci Ford Bronco (great rig btw). Anyhow, the salesman kept yammering about that damned 'Yota, so I drove it. Game over. Ford? No way in Hell! Over priced and under powered. Hell, 25 years ago I knew they were s^&t!

 

When your out and about, just look at the parking area for the service department at a ford dealership, that will answer your question, regarding the 3.5eb. If i was to purchase a f-150 It would be the 5.0

As for ditching the 6.2 V-8 only thing I can think of is, less parts to build = more profit, if the same engine fits all of your 1/2 ton trucks your making more $$$$$$$$ over quality.

As for the infotainment systems, That's a whole mess of issues shit, it's windows based how much do you like the windows operating system on how stable it is L.O.L.

Just remember this is all just my personal opinion.

-Jason

 

........the only thing about buying a truck that you should be concerned is reliability, this is because you are looking for something that is nothing less than a workhorse.

You never want your workhorse to breakdown in the middle of towing or hauling things that weigh thousands of pounds, you will not believe how absolutely pissed you will become if that happens & you are in the middle of the Mojave Desert or pulling your boat out of the water to load it on to the boat trailer.

Gizmos & gadgets that are now being put inside so many pickups do not add one iota of utility value for hauling firewood from the backside of my property, or taking down trees that get hung up among other trees because I slightly miscalculated the angle of the fall of the tree.

I had a Chevy Cargo Van for my environmental engineering business for which I needed a monthly budget for repair work. Never had these kinds of problems with four different models of Toyota trucks.

 

Bait and switch to get a FERD. Sorry man.

 

Im curious to how much shifting the new raptor with a 10speed is going to do. My wife's acura has a 9-speed and it shifts way too much and all day long. Little worried that it'll prematurely fail.

 

I drive 10 miles a day. I didn't want to replace the turbos in a f150 at 40,000 miles because they are worn out cause I am only drive in the city on short frequent stop trips. That's why I bought a tundra. It's a truck and I could care less about gas mileage. I know it'll get me to work on time and safely. It'll also haul what I need to haul.