Who's gonna wait for 10k miles before 1st oil change?

Why aren’t we rolling with magnetic plugs like we have on the diff?

 

Isn’t that what the oil filter is for?

 

The owners manual states, “perform these service items only if you drive PRIMARILY under the conditions indicated”. No need to change your oil early. The oil filter will do its job even during breakin. Here’s my dipstick at 7000 miles. That being said, do what makes you feel good. I’ll be changing at 10,000 miles. I’m 50 years old and I’ve been driving Toyotas all my life and I just follow the owners manual. Never had an engine or transmission problem.

 

I just did my 1st at 5K and will probably stick to 5K intervals, but the oil looked fine and should have no issue going the recommended 10k.

 

I’m going to read the maintenance section of the owners manual, consider my intended use, compare the manufacturer’s recommendations to those of the dealership and service advisor that I’ve been happily dealing with for almost 17 years then decide how best to proceed.
Drove our 2005 Echo for 16 years and 423,000kms until gifting it to our nephew.
Our 2012 Tacoma just passed the 291,000km mark. It’s going to our niece once our Tundra arrives.

 

10,000 + mile oil change intervals... Sheesh. seems that autos are inching their way towards going along with B&S mower engines and eventually won't require any oil changes. LOL. Maybe these just burn enough that you have to add some fresh a couple times a year. IDK.

Briggs & Stratton EXi Engine Requires No Oil Changes | Green Industry Pros

 

Manuals nowadays are different than what they used to be but mechanics have stayed the same I trust them or an engineer more than the manual because I'm sure Toyota like their competitors is just tryna lower maintenance costs at the expense of its longevity. Or just watch car care nut and you'll see why some owners really take care of their trucks because no one else will care for the truck the way you do.

 

Meh, I have had many 2.5 gen Tundras and never had an issue waiting 10K for first oil change (granted I haven't kept most of them beyond 30K). My current Tundra is 2.5 years old with 35K on the ODO and it has only had three oil changes, still running smooth, no issues!

I suppose the 2022 is a bit different because it is Turbo, and supposedly those require more frequent oil changes? I guess it wouldn't hurt to do it more frequently, but maybe unnecessary, or even extend it to every 5K, I think 2500 is overkill. I have a Honda CRV 2022 with a turbo and even that only requires oil every 6K or so.

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I did my first oil change @ 1k, will do one more for 2,500. Thereafter every 5k or 3k if I use some E85.

it seems this engine does have a rather robust system to keep temps in check for what it’s worth.

Here are couple videos that explain the new engines 40% thermal efficiency.

Take it for what it’s worth.
https://youtu.be/wwLxxZm_LRQ

https://youtu.be/VzYbmDNNWRQ

 

I talked to my dealer today about getting first oil change at 2500 miles. They told me that Toyota runs oil through the engine after assembly to wash out the debris. Then refills with the oil the vehicle comes with. So no need to consider anything earlier than 10k for the first change. I'm thinking a lot of people here will have an issue with that. But does anyone know if this idea of Toyota washing it out after assembly is true?

 

My favorite person here may know @wedemmoez

 

I'll be sticking with a 5,000 mile interval personally.

 

10k miles for a service interval is fine, 5k is early for synthetic oils but honestly do whatever you want.

if you really want to know what your ideal service interval is, send your oil to Blackstone Labs. After 4/5 oil changes, they’ll be able to nail down your perfect interval.

 

Thanks @wedemmoez

I understand that 10k may be ok for the synthetic oil, in terms of how long the oil is doing the proper lubrication. But I think the question here is, are there really nasty bits, metal shavings etc, in the engine that are being pushed around in the oil and damaging the metal on metal points/surfaces? I would have also add in that these would not be captured by the filter too. After all, isn't that the filters job?

So IF my dealer is correct that Toyota has mitigated the production/assembly nasty bits and the filter is doing it's job, then indeed there is no advantage to a pre-10k first oil change. Note that I said "advantage" rather than "need". I suspect that even if Toyota has done as advertised that some will still say there is a "need" because nothing is perfect at washing out and capturing the nasty bits. That logic I suppose would also carry on through the life of the engine as it seems to me that those nasty bits can always become dislodged and contaminate the oil even at 50k-100k miles. Maybe I'm dead wrong on that last part, just trying to be rationale about this.

OK, let 'er rip, tear into me now

 

you’re right, there’s no need for an early oil change. There’s 2 different mesh screens and an oil filter that oil passes through before it gets sprayed into the rest of the engine. Any metal shavings will get caught in those before they can cause any issues.

But oil changes are cheap and if the user wants to do it, it’s up to them. No harm in having shorter oil change intervals except to your wallet.

the metal shavings are also a largely overhyped concern. It’s such a minuscule amount of metal that it very very rarely causes issues.
The reason you see metal shavings in failed engines is because those are the result of most failures, not the cause.

 

I just traded in my Tacoma for a tundra limited 23’. I’m at 1,900 miles. I’m gonna change mine as well. So check this out—— in the past 3 years I’ve had 2 brand new Tacoma off roads. Both came from the same dealer. I’m convinced the oil that these trucks come new with is lesser quality than “high grade” synthetic that you can go out and buy. 2023 Trd Tacoma running- you can hear a lot of the engine noise with the stock oil, then changed it to some random all synthetic oil brand……motor was literally “close to silent”. Additionally, I’ve seen the huge oil drums they use at the Vancouver Toyota dealer. They are like 500 gallon drums of what appears to be “hybrid synthetic or 50/50”. Just my opinion here. Love the tundra. So freakin cool. Mines on 35” bfg’s and I’m getting on average 18.7 mpg.

 

Welcome to the forums!

 

Thank you @wedemmoez , it almost feels like people think there are gravel sized metal shavings floating around in their oil. But if you really have gravel sized metal shavings in there, perhaps 5k oil chang won't help it.

Unrelated: Sweet, my odo is reading 1,111 posts, all on original oil!

 

I am at 4,100 kms (~2,500 miles) and changed the oil today. The old oil was very dirty and dark. It had a noticeable smell of gas.

Most of our kms are city and lots of idling.

I can’t see that oil lasting another 12,000 kms that the service tech told me that it would.

I put some Penzoil full synthetic in and hopefully it will last 5,000 kms.

 

Changed mine today at 2000. It was a lot darker looking than 2000mi oil in my ‘16 Tacoma. Didn’t find any debris at all. Oil is cheap. I’ll sleep better tonight.