What is the cargo or payload inside of the door jam say

Personally, I would somehow postpone the commitment to a new truck (and payment schedule), and work on a temporary solution; maybe a used older Tundra or GM with higher payload. You'll get most of your money back on a Tundra, and you may have problems with a GM.

Wait a few months and see what the Gen4 Tundra will have as payload ratings. Not that you would want a hybrid version for towing, but if the rumors are true that they're considering a twin-turbo hybrid, then battery weight has forced them to reconsider payload ratings. The battery is not part of payload, but will require heavier suspension components.

Any HD hybrid components may be available on other models as a "super tow package". You'll have your own opinion of 5.7L V8 vs twin-turbo V6, but twin-turbo V6 wouldn't bother me; Toyota sells proven stuff, not experimental "shop bait".

 

Sounds like you'll be GTG with a Tundra OP. Just don't put couple dirtbikes in the bed when towing, that's all.

 

@Dansly56 Something else that reading another thread just reminded me: if you can make do with 2wd or with a DC instead of a CM, you could get a couple hundred pounds more payload. A couple guys on here with 2wd DCs have about 1600 lbs, if I recall correctly.

 

I came from a 2018 Tacoma that I used to pull a TT with a weight around 5.5K when loaded. The Tacoma did OK but did struggle in the mountains and on the prairie with a high head wind. Bought a 2020 Tundra and the difference is night and day. I did not want to go to a domestic truck and deal with the reliability issues.




The small trailer your looking at will be fine to pull but make sure you use a good WD hitch properly set up.

 

That’s what I think I will do today and tomorrow

 

going with a DC will feel like my Tacoma back there for my kids so I’d rather get the CM

 

My Tacoma has zero issue pulling my trailer I’ve been out 1.5hrs from home in 25mphs winds going 55mph on 4th gear in cruise control with a 8000lb weight distribution hitch and sway bars but that’s not my issue with my Tacoma it’s the cargo weight that gets me nervous because we’re over max by 100lbs without putting anything in the truck bed. I would to throw somethings in the back of the truck but per the sticker I can’t and shouldn’t.

 

I think you need to relax a little. 100lbs isnt putting you in any kind of danger.

Also putting the stock size tires back on will help.

 

I'm saying that towing with the Tundra vs. the Taco will be a much better experience at equivalent payloads.

 

I think you should be able to find a Tundra with a sightly higher payload if you stick to a lower trim with fewer options. Even if you get one that has 200 lbs more capacity than your Tacoma, that will let you put 100 lbs of stuff in the bed.

 

It's OK. I just have to avoid all you can eat buffets to stay under my payload.

 

I have a 2015 CM, SR5 Upgrade, 2WD, 5.7L. My door jam VIN plate shows my GVWR at 7,000 lbs. I scaled my truck, full of fuel with the stuff I always carry in it, without driver or passengers. Just the truck. It weighed 5,540 lbs. That leaves me 1,460 lbs that I can load on the frame, people, cargo, and trailer.
These are real numbers that I can back up with the CAT scale tickets. No guessing for this guy. My family rides in my truck and I'm pushing my weight limits when I tow my trailer. I don't exceed them though.
If you want the documentation PM me and I'll send them to you.

 

Out of curiosity, what does your door sticker say your payload capacity is? Is it close?

 

Good question. I don't think I looked at the tire placard when I was doing the math.

It shows 1,440 lbs minus the 8 lbs on the yellow sticker making it 1,432 lbs.

It is close and I'm going with the scale tickets.

 

I have a payload of 1265 lbs and a GVWR of 7200 lbs so that tells me that 4x4 (plus whatever other features they added between 2015 and 2020) weighs about 400 lbs.

 

Easy solution that nobody mentions:
Either add a leaf to the rear spring pack, or add airbags for those time you need to "carry more".
The axles, brakes, cooling, transmission and differential are up to it.

There may not be much difference in stock payload between your Tacoma and a Tundra, but their towing capability/stability and safety/sway are bost vastly superior to the Tacoma.
Also, the big three tend to overrate their trucks capabilities in a never ending one-upsmanship, but Toyota tends to take the conservative angle, and actually underrate their capability and use higher quality components. This adds to their durability and reliability.

 

That is why I bought a 2WD. I actually need the weight more than I'll use 4WD.

That also affected my tire decision recently. I have the TRD Offroad package so it came with Michelin AT2 tires. They did last the fill 60,000 miles they are guaranteed for by Michelin with proper air pressure and 5,000 mile rotations done by me. Because I tow a tongue heavy trailer and push my GVWR but not the GCWR I considered getting either the AT2 or Defender LTX in the 10 ply rating. I didn't buy the 10 ply tire mainly due to the added 40 lbs unsprung weight per tire. That would reduce my payload accordingly. I didn't want to do that.

Additionally, the truck at full capacity cannot exceed the Defender LTX weight rating so other than the stability gained I could not utilize the 10 ply rating. I am, however, really happy with the Defender LTX tires for quietness and ride quality. They really are very good tires but they also do not have the aggressive tread design so they look a little old man boring. I haven't towed with them yet but I'm sure they will do at least as well as the AT2s which I was happy with at max sidewall pressure (51 PSI) when towing (40 PSI empty).

 

Yeah, if I lived in Arizona, I would probably drive a 2wd too. But even with good winter tires and my bed liner and canopy weighing my rear end down, I can't always get traction on the ice that builds up in intersections here in 2Hi.

 

Tundra, good weight distribution hitch, upgrade the brake controller, add a tranny cooler and air bags and go enjoy the wilderness. Oh yea, buy a gas station too.

 

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relax? 100 isn’t much your right but not I can add coolers, tools, camping chairs, fishing gear, dog crate, bicycles, etc. With the Tacoma we’re like we can bring that or that when we go out in our travel trailer to do some dry camping. To you it don’t matter but to me I have small kids that I wanna be safe when towing with them.

 

I tow a slightly bigger trailer than you do with my Tundra and my numbers are very close to yours. It is absolutely safe and there was no comparison to the Tacoma it replaced. Only you can decide what best and if you want the safest tow vehicle buy a one ton dually. I'm not trying being a smart ass but the reality is the bigger the tow vehicle is for a given trailer the less risk there is. Anytime you tow there is risk. Stopping distances are longer and handling is compromised. You have to decide for yourself what's acceptable.

Why don't you rent a Tundra for the day and hook up the trailer and see if you find it acceptable?

 

What size gas tank?

 

I’ll be happy with 1400 cargo weight vs 1050 that’s for sure! If I can find a tundra that gives me a extra 350-500lbs of cargo it’s a no brainer to get it and load the bed up with what I mentioned

 

Sorry, I added to my post while you were typing.

2wd base Tundra will give you the max payload.

 

right on! I’ll go look at them for sure!

 

My father in law has a Tundra that has a lower payload then my Tundra of about 300lbs. To be honest if I towed my set up with his truck I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. I would try a Tundra either by renting or borrowing (dealer test drive) and see how it feels to you while towing.

 

Here’s a door jamb sticker from an f150 my bil looked at last week. It did not have max payload or max trailering package. He went in looking for a 250, and the sales guys at two dealerships tried to put him in a 150.

he’s trying to haul 2600 lbs of payload with their trailer, family and gear.

 

I have the smaller 28 gallon tank and am ok with it. I have a bad back and that forces me to stop and get my butt out of the seat.

 

My 4Runner was 1700.
My Tundra is 1270.