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Ugh...I should have just bought the Tundra.

Discussion in 'General Tundra Discussion' started by Lindenwood, Feb 2, 2019.

  1. Feb 3, 2019 at 6:33 AM
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    I hope your issues are resolved. I think you made the right move by not going with the Tundra for heavy towing, I just wish Toyota made something to fit your needs!
     
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  2. Feb 3, 2019 at 6:38 AM
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    I thought only the Toyota vehicles made in Japan are reliable when first shopping for a vehicle and it worried me about the American made tundra but I’ve got close to 70,000 miles on my 2014 and not a single issue which is good for buying the first model year of the “refreshed” new tundra.
     
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  3. Feb 3, 2019 at 6:39 AM
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    Not to rub salt in a wound, 30+K miles of no issues. Ford is not on the top of the big three, just look at any testing video. Hell, the Fords are the only ones on TFL that have broken down or gone into limp mode on these tests. Tells you everything one needs to know. If my principles were none existent, I would have looked at a Ram. However, I will never own another, no matter how “good” they are.

    One question, and be honest: You daily drive your diesel don’t you?
     
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  4. Feb 3, 2019 at 6:43 AM
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    You daily drove your diesel too huh?
     
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  5. Feb 3, 2019 at 6:52 AM
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  6. Feb 3, 2019 at 7:12 AM
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    1. Cam Tower leak at 14,000 miles - passenger side.
    2. Driver's side front shock failed around 30,000 miles.
    3. Upper ball joints needed replacing by 30,000 miles.
    4. Lower ball joints needed replacing by 65,000 miles.
    5. Serp belt tensioner needed replacing at 60,000 miles.
    6. Cam tower leak at ~70,000 miles - driver's side.

    Other than the cam tower leaks, nothing "horrible" (although many on this site don't mind a leaky engine and say that the cam tower leak isn't that big of a deal - I'm not one of them), and it hasn't left me stranded. But, none of my other 16 vehicles left me stranded - except the one at the top of my most problematic list(2001 Dodge Ram 2500 with a V10).

    Extrapolate, please. I have read and understand what problems can arise from this when coupled with modern emissions systems, but would like to hear you explain it - as you are usually good at explaining things mechanical.
     
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  7. Feb 3, 2019 at 7:22 AM
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    Wow reading this read makes me feel great about my ‘15 tundra I bought 4 months ago. I’m not towing a lot but I looked at all the big 3 options and went forctundra. I love it. Yes it’s loud on start up but a great driving truck. Also in regards to the ‘20’21 tundra I hear they are working on improving the tow capacity as well as improving the transmission to an 8, or 10 speed to improve gas mileage.
     
  8. Feb 3, 2019 at 7:23 AM
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    Hate to hear you having issues with the 250. I have had 7.3 wished I kept 6.4 then got a 2014 F350 6.7. I ended up trading in on my Tundra. Loved the fords but the DEF went out 3 times. I had to pay 2000K. Then front up had a death wopple. Front replace 2 times by ford. Then I spend 3000K on the front in again and did all new shocks and steering stabilizer. Coolint being to leak. Don’t get me wrong the 6.7 will haul the mail!!! But truck payment on top of me having issues every other month. I was sick out it. I hope one day Ford can get back like it used to be. Just good luck with it.
     
  9. Feb 3, 2019 at 7:30 AM
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    We have '12 4.6 db cab w/tow pkg. We have towed a 7000 trailer 30k, C to C and to Alaska and back and we have No Regrets! Greatest Truck ever made-TOYOTA TUNDRA!!

    Happy Campers
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  10. Feb 3, 2019 at 7:56 AM
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    had a 89' tacoma that lasted 16 years with NO problems. Age took over so i decided to buy american and yep a f150. 3 years in a new transmition, several years later I was calling AAA sevice once every 3 months. F.... this and perchaced 2016 tundra trd. I was traveling 80 miles a day to work and needed dependability. I am soooooo glad to be back with TOYOTA!!!!!!!!!!
     
  11. Feb 3, 2019 at 8:17 AM
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    I’ll get back with you. Busy bending tube.
     
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  12. Feb 3, 2019 at 8:18 AM
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    LOL. That's what she said.
     
  13. Feb 3, 2019 at 8:25 AM
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    what did she say????
     
  14. Feb 3, 2019 at 9:01 AM
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    Knowing I'd be daily-driving it, I bought a gasser specifically to avoid all the known diesel-related issues.
     
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  15. Feb 3, 2019 at 9:22 AM
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    I am one of those guys that over-loads the truck and I don't care. The truck doesn't even blink. It only gets 7-8MPG double-towing. I put air-bags on and E load tires. This truck isn't a typical half-ton. If I were you I wouldn't second guess the numbers. I'd ditch the ford and get a Tundra. Load it up and go. Good luck.
     
  16. Feb 3, 2019 at 9:42 AM
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    Not kidding Im thinking about it..........
     
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  17. Feb 3, 2019 at 9:55 AM
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    This is the only vehicle I’ve owned, since brand new for 5 years and is paid off. I can’t recall one issue with her. I know it’ll get my family or I anywhere I need her to without stranding me on the side due to a computer issue
     
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  18. Feb 3, 2019 at 9:59 AM
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    They do, but I think you need a CDL

    http://www.hino.com/phone/trucks.html

    I get the frustration but towing something that big full time I can't fathom doing it with a half ton.
     
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  19. Feb 3, 2019 at 10:02 AM
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    I’m curious about the ball joints. What was the cause of the early failure. Where you lifted and aligned properly? I’m at 25K and my ball joints, upper and lower, look brand new still.
     
  20. Feb 3, 2019 at 10:03 AM
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    What is with all of the Tundra is not good with towing nonsense? Damn thing towed the space shuttle...what else do you need?
     
  21. Feb 3, 2019 at 10:07 AM
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    From what I’ve seen the main thing is payload capacity. It can tow a lot but the tongue weight is where it kills it.
     
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  22. Feb 3, 2019 at 10:11 AM
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    Ah, thanks for the information.
     
  23. Feb 3, 2019 at 10:17 AM
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    This is what a few of my friends recently did and swapped trailers to match load ratings. An additional ~$10k upfront cost, emissions equipment longevity concerns, maintenance, and where I live an additional .80 gallon is what did it for them.
     
  24. Feb 3, 2019 at 10:31 AM
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    Upper ball joints had issues prior to my lift being installed. I didn't replace them because I was upgrading the suspension anyway and installed new UCAs. Right before I put the lift on, I noticed the truck was popping when turning at slow speeds. When I tore everything apart for the lift, that is when I noticed the both upper ball joints had excessive play and the front shock was leaking. I don't know if the alignment was good before the lift - but I had no signs of abnormal wear on the tires.

    The lower ball joints may be because of my lift - but if that is the case, then I still am not impressed with the quality. I only had about 30,000-35,000 lifted miles on them, and my alignment numbers were pretty decent (I did have to adjust once because of outside tire wear). I finally changed them when I noticed a different popping noise under slow steering. Replaced them and the noise went away.
     
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    So understanding how each brand truck collects, cleans the DPF filter is key.

    Once the DPF filter has collected enough soot, the ECM tells the truck it needs a cleaning. Exhaust temps are raised (very hot) and burns all the soot, and then released out of the exhaust system. Sometimes you will see a gray cloud coming from a newer diesel.

    Each manufacturer has a process to raise the exhaust temp up to cleaning requirements. Some manufacturers add an injection cycle to burn extra fuel, and get those temps up. This system sucks, can burn valves, and cause fuel delusion (so in other words, diesel fuel going into the crankcase). Others inject diesel fuel into the exhaust directly to get the higher temps (GM). This avoids all the engine issues with overfueling the motor.

    Diesel exhaust cleanings take about 20-30 minutes at 30 mph or higher constantly (on GMs) and fords I guess can clean sitting in your driveway now. No idea on Rams.

    Why daily driving modern diesels (short trips) is hard on them:
    -thermal cycling. Hard on head gaskets, injectors, turbos, etc.

    -Now in town driving, one uses more fuel. This causes more exhaust cleanings, and if the allotted amount of time to properly clean the DPF filter is not reached, the process starts all over again. This in turn gives you really shity fuel economy, always in regeneration, and causing these issues.

    Another area that can cause problems is Urea (DEF fluid) has a shelf life. I never fill my tank all the way up unless a long trip is planned. This issue can cause “bad quality” issues and put you into limp mode. Nobody likes limp mode. DEF also freezes at around 11*F. A full tank will freeze and expand.

    I hope this answers some of your questions. We didn’t even get into the SCRs.
     
  26. Feb 3, 2019 at 11:06 AM
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    Smart man. Sucks this happened. You just been Ford’d.
     
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  27. Feb 3, 2019 at 5:02 PM
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    I bet not. Fortunately, it never happened when I was towing but it did it to me when crossing a busy intersection in Albuquerque, not fun. My 2008 f150 work truck stalled out in a busy intersection too. Albuquerque drivers have no mercy! :crapstorm:
     
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  28. Feb 3, 2019 at 5:09 PM
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    That would suck.

    Watching the game at work?
     
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  29. Feb 3, 2019 at 5:19 PM
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    Yessir! Game is on. Wifey made 7-layer dip for the guys, chips, salsa, queso going on here as well. Tacos are planned for later!
     
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  30. Feb 3, 2019 at 5:55 PM
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    You treat your guys good.

    Say hi to your wife for me.
     
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