Turbo issue

Agreed. Probably cold comfort to a service foreman stuck between Toyotas NA’s wall of silence and likely irate customers. Poor guy has taken to Facebook to plead for mercy.

 

Just to quench my curiosity, are you planning on buying a 3rd gen once the gremlins are worked out?

 

I'm told that when someone says this, it means we're butthurt 2.5 Gen Tundra owners.

Seriously though, I agree with this statement 100%. I'll bet on Toyota any day of the week over Ford/Chevy/GMC/Nissan, but when one has a paid off truck with no issues, it's tough to contemplate trading it in on a newer truck...with issues.

 

1st gen, 2nd gen, 2.5 gen or 3rd gen, whatever gen they're all a damn sight better than ANY gen of the big three + Nissan.

 

There are certain things you should and not say when you're an employee of an organization. It's already common knowledge that these new Tundras are having issues but until there's evidence that the wastegate issue could occur again after a fix, he should have kept that to himself. Opinions are not facts.

 

What amazes me is that his dealership received 8+ new Tundras when he posted that on Dec 23.

 

Alright, I was trying to discount the whole turbo issue thing as a bad batch or something... being on the 22 group on facebook... This is a large issue that toyota needs to get fixed asap before the tundra is labeled as a piece of unreliable crap. It's getting pretty close... I remember everyone saying "this isn't toyotas first turbo engine" or "this engine is tried and true in the lexus!"... yeah they screwed this up royally. Toyota had YEARS to plan this out, so saying it's a "first year of a new gen issue" is a load of bullshit.

I was on board with trading my 2020 in on one because I will need 4x4 in the future as I will be moving to somewhere that has snow...

 

Remember, Toyota also had nearly 15 years to make the 2nd gen Tundra the most reliable truck on the market. Why don't you keep your 2020 until they resolve the issues with the 3rd gen? I'm sure your 2020 will do fine in the snow, unless it's 4x2 on summer tires.

 

I am a gm and toyota fan, but after looking at the GM lineup.. They are garbage. The 3.0 diesel is a freaking joke... Someone in their infinite wisdom decided to put a OIL PUMP BELT between the transmission and the rear of the engine.. which means it has to come all apart to replace as it is a maintenance item. I really hope toyota fixes this tundra. I am honestly only looking at ford and toyota right now and I reallllly don't like ford.

 

4x2 on winter tires, but I would like 4x4 for any of those sticky situations. I've only ever had 4x4 in snow so an open diff 4x2 I am not sure how it'll do.

The 2nd gen in it's first few years did not have the issues the 3rd gen is having. I may keep the 2nd gen and get an older beater for work/winter driving.

Also remember.. toyota's first gen was one of the most reliable made.. it ran for what 7 years?

 

I agree, 4x4 would be more suitable and safe. According to some experts, only the 2003 Tundra was considered reliable and the other years were about average, but it will be different for each owner. I really wanted to get the 2nd gen but at the time, every single dealer in the country was marking them up ridiculously high. You could also just opt for a FWD drive vehicle if it snows maybe 2-3 times a winter or just get a cheap AWD Subaru if you don't mind carrying engine oil with you.

 

The 02 I had was by far my favorite truck. The 2nd gen is alright, but a bit large.
I think that is what I am going to have to do. My 2020 is paid for now, so I may just take whatever extra I was going to pay for a 3rd gen and just put it into a beater and put good snow tires on both. It will be winter with snow for 6 months of the year, so I do need something more. During the summer, 4x4 for me isn't needed at all. I will have an ATV or something for that.

 

Yep! Checkbook is burning a hole in my pocket. White 1794 4x4 in White. Likely won't go for TRD Off Road unless they actually something besides stickers (recovery hooks and skid plates).

At this point might wait to hear some initial reviews on Hybrid, but likely will stick with non-hybrid

 

It's Austin, TX Tundra's are purdy popular round these parts.

 

If he has it on good authority that Toyota has not gone to a different part than the one that failed prematurely, the same faulty part is the one being used for repairs and several instances of problems re-occurring post turbo replacement, I would be curious to know why you would expect him to reach a different conclusion. I would agree that perhaps he could be wrong on that, but seems to be consistent with what other techs are saying and posting from the Toyota repair management system.

You are also right. This is probably not good for his promotion prospects. However since he put it on blast, I say good on him for being honest about what he is being told. Damn sight better than these salespeople talking complete bunk out their bums or worse attacking those with with broken trucks.

Again, for personal preservation, I agree he should have stuck to Mike Sweers/Toyota NA's official policy on the matter, please see below.

 

Please enlighten us on all the changes Toyota made over those 15 years to the 1UR-FE and rest of the powertrain to climb that ladder.

 

Please provide sources on this.
CR actually rates 1st Gen (4.4) higher than 2nd Gen (4.2). Both scores crush Detroit competition.

 

Interesting Study from back in 2020 of Longest-Lasting Cars to Reach 200,000 Miles and Beyond.

https://www.iseecars.com/longest-lasting-cars-study#v=2020

 

Yeah, whatever

 

I fixed it for ya

 

Maybe the 1st and 2nd gen.. 3rd gen is still has a lot to prove and it is off to a VERY rough start

Whoops meant to quote @-Mike-

 

Interesting take.
I personally went for the TRD off-road for the rear locker and crawl control. To me, the TRD Pro does not really add anything else after those 2. Skid plates and recovery hooks can always be added later and matter less, imo.

 

Not really, because the counter-argument from 3rd Gen to 2.5 gen owners concerning reliability issues has been "Oh yeah, remember camshaft issues? How about those cam seals and steering gears?"

It's understood that when I said "it's tough to contemplate trading it in on a truck....with issues" they're not *ALL* going to have issues. Point being, my current truck has absolutely no issues; 3rd Gen Tundras are dealing with some issues...so I'm good with what I got for now.

With that said, give it a year or so to work out some kinks, and I'm right there with money in hand.

 

Having had 2 vehicle with lockers (Xterra and GX460), they are absolutely nice to have. Used a handful of times they do make a difference. Good and slightly wider AT Tires vs. factory make a much bigger in most situations though. Definitely would not trade a locker for skid plates and recovery hooks. Those have saved my butt many many more times than a locker. However neither is a factory option so I hear ya.

My GX has crawl control. Kind of neat the first time, but don’t really see any substantial improvement over 4L0 + M1. It also sometimes just stops suddenly when going uphill losing momentum. Probably good for safety, not so good for getting up slick inclines.

Agreed on Pro, too many changes to appearance in lieu of actual off road function like a Raptor or Rebel that has more of latter. Know that’s sort of apples and oranges
price wise. Hopefully they come up with something above the Pro more like those. Toyota can make Turbo V6’s that are screamers.

 

What do you mean "not really" you just confirmed my post

 

I'll give your personal sample size math a try on

- Can count at least 5 buddies and myself with over 100K miles on 2.5 Gen with 0 of those issues and zero drivetrain failures in well over 600K Miles.
- 16K 3rd Gens Sold , Average Age 1.5 Months, Average miles driven per year 13.5K = 27MM miles on the current 3rd gen fleet
- If 1% is really failure max rate, that is drive train failure every 270K miles.
- Conclusion 2.5 Gen = Better vs. 3rd Gen

 

Conveniently ignores leaking cam towers.

 

Logic on test group creating comparison data points just a tad narrow.

Everyone entitled to their opinion and free speech but continues to provide rhetoric on the perceptions of failures without even owning one.

 

You mean seeping cam towers. In almost every case, they don't seep enough to even change the reading on the dipstick, let alone drip on the ground.

Everyone is mad about those because we expect perfection from Toyota. I'll be mad if mine starts doing it. But I'm not going to have my engine rebuilt because I can see the tiniest bit of oil moisture if I take a front wheel off, pull down the splash guard, and shine a light on the side of my engine block.

I hope the 3rd gen is as reliable as the 2nd. We don't know yet and won't know for a while. My guess is, it will be better than the competition because it's still built by Toyota, but not as hassle-free as the 2nd gen because it is a much more complicated truck.

 

My eyes perceive another one just soiled the proverbial bed.








But hey man to your point, it’s a free country.
Keep on posting that it’s just rhetoric or whatever helps you sleep at night.