Turbo issue

Then for a lot of people who depend on their truck, this is an issue they're going to have to decide if it's worth putting up with.

Wastegates fail, it's not a new "thing". Failure is typically annoying, but a repair is relatively easy and usually not crazy expensive.

Toyota may have just raised the bar.

 

Respectfully, you may be missing the point.

We have just found out that Toyota may have taken what was a simple repair, to a whole new level of complexity. If your expectation is that once there is a "solution", the wastegate will never again be a problem...you may want to review a few Ford forums.

We might not have known about this repair complexity until much later, if it hadn't been for the early failures. This is a big deal if the current repair methodology stands.

 

Whats wrong with the Ford wastegates? They had a rattle issue, they were not straight up failing to work. AFAIK the rattle is the actuator arm being loose on the wastegate lever.

 

And they have been replaced...without removing the cab.

 

Correct. Probably through the wheel well. I've pulled and reinstalled my turbos on my 2014. Takes about 3 hours with the wheel removed in my garage with harbor freight tools

I can't believe they can't do that with the Tundra unless they made the frame rails so tight so that it could be used as a Land Cruiser and Tacoma frame too.

 

It doesn't matter if there was a small batch, a medium sized batch, or a large batch of wastegates manufactured upside down, sideways, or inside out. The issue is the complexity of the required repair.

A failure, today, tomorrow, or 5 years from now, for any reason, would appear to require a costly repair procedure.

The point is that we would not have known about the apparent repair complexity if it hadn't been for the early failures.

Anyone considering purchasing a Gen 3 Tundra now has another data point to consider.

 

Agree'd, other than apparently the service manual does say to remove the cab or motor. So if they are going "by the book" then they are.

I am simply arguing that its probably completely unnecessary, without having actually looked at the truck myself of course.

 

And yet...you're still here...Slick.

And an apparently costly repair for the customer...out of warranty...which you've yet to grasp the concept of.

It's pretty obvious who's "not getting it".

 

A legend in your own mind, are you?

 

There’s the wastegate actuator as seen from passenger side wheel well. You could probably replace the actuator yourself if you could get the parts. It’s not that hard to replace the turbo either from what I can see. Likely in the next few years we’ll hear about people swapping turbos and get more details about the how-to.

 

A brand new truck in the shop for at least a month is usually a major headache.

 

but probably the actuator needs calibration too via TechStream?

 

Lets talk how great Ford is about fixing problems on there trucks.

It took Ford 3 years before they had plans to fix the problems with there 6.0 diesel engines, and had to recall every 6.0 truck from 2003-2006.
Cab off on my 2006 F250 3 times.

My 2015 Ford F350 had a good engine but they could not fix the electrical problems, after 8 times in the shop. Problems started to happen at after 24 months.

Toyota will fix this problem in the next month, and you won't have to wait 3 years for a recall.

 

Well there’s a good chance the frame is identical in that area to the Land Cruiser/LX 600 and probably the upcoming Tacoma and 4Runner.

That was a requirement of the TNGA-F platform.

 

The degree of uninformed speculation posited on this matter is almost comedic. If I made business decisions employing the same degree of ignorance as the genesis for the subsequent decision Tree, I’d be of no concern to any competitors.
And so as to clarify; I’m one of the “wastegate” victims.

 

Fake news! Uninformed speculation never happens in online forums. Never.

 

But the need to find continuing value in your past decisions (even if based on internet suppositions and partial information) is very normal. Congratulations to you!!

 

Could be, we’ll find out at some point.

 

Welcome from NC! Glad to see your shift key is working!

 

Cab off maintenance aside, what do ya'll think of thing of dealer telling him his brand new TRUCK is bricked for best case 30 days, but "don't worry here's a Rav4 loaner" ?
Some of us use these things for work. I just hauled a generator to my job site.

Do you all think there is more to the story from the dealer?

Also his points about interest are not wrong. $60K invested at 8% is $400 a month. Dealer got his money, but seems to want to be absolve themselves of as much responsibility as possible.
Imagine you buy a new home from a builder and HVAC craps out Month 1. You make that warranty call to the builder and he says, afraid air conditioners are on backorder, but don't you worry we will get to you.
Then walks next door to his jobsite and takes delivery of a brand new HVAC and sticks a For Sale sign in the yard. I know I know, life's not that simple, but man would I be steamed looking at that For Sale sign everyday.

 

If I understand correctly you believe the this affects every single new Tundra owner, correct? Has this been determined?

 

Yeah, it's pretty shitty that dealer gave him a rav4 loaner
when my Tacoma was in the shop they gave me a Camry.
I think Toyota should at least match the loaner to the same category of vehicle, if none available, just reimburse the guy and let him rent an F-150 for the duration of the warranty work

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/4DBVbFof8oU?feature=share

 

God bless you

 

Don't know if it's a dealer by dealer thing but when mine was in for warranty work no loaner is offered. I had to fight for one since I am use my truck for work and they eventually had me go to the Enterprise next door and rent a ram on there dime.

 

This could be actual footage of the Toyota engineers explaining the new tundra to dealer techs

 

Agreed! If the reliability drops off, then Toyota becomes an As Run just like the other Big 3. I typically keep my vehicles for 10-15 years; sill own my ‘07 Tundra I bought new. It only has 150k miles and if it was 4WD, I’d seriously consider keeping it until I saw the reliability/longevity of this new design. Heck, I’ve been waiting for a refresh for 10 years, I guess I can wait a few more.

 

You sound like me. I am still DD'ing my 2009 Tacoma Sport 4x4 purchased new in Nov 2008. Also like you I have been waiting for a Tundra refresh and a REAL Tacoma refresh for a long time. But mine at 120,000 miles still drives like new, and I have updated the infotainment electronics, added seat heaters, etc. so it is still really nice. I can wait a while for Tundra to sort out... which I don't believe will take very long... and maybe even wait for the next Tacoma. But it will need a much better powertrain than the 3rd gens for me to even consider it.

 

While I agree that I didn’t think about the ‘07 Tundra being a million+ mile vehicle when I purchased it new, I absolutely bought it because of Toyota’s known reliability. It was my 8th Toyota and had reliability diminished in any way, I would have been very disappointed. But, I do agree that it was a game changer at the time, but not sure the new one is just yet. Need to drive one to see. Maybe the hybrid will truly surprise us with power and MPGs, but most of what I’ve read leads me to believe we’ll mainly get the power with a little improvement in MPGs. We’ll soon find out.

 

You seem to relish repeatedly reminding us all of the issues with the turbos, but so far this doesn’t seem to be widespread, so you’re speculating that this problem will happen to everyone. More likely, this is isolated to a specific batch of parts and Toyota will figure it out and get it corrected.