Tundras were built for this!!

Jesus, that's a big slide.

 

Outside of safety, one of my biggest concerns if towing above payload and/or tow weight, would be that insurance could rightfully deny any claim after an accident, regardless of whether or not either of these were directly or indirectly responsible for the accident.

I purchased an HD truck with the desire of being well under because I'm lazy and don't want to do the math, or have it weighing on my mind that if anything were to go wrong I could potentially be out well over $100k.

If you're rolling deep enough that this potential loss doesn't bother you, or you're just not in this headspace at all, more power to you I guess. I always get ahead of and away from vehicles that are clearly overburdened. I wish police would start pulling people over for this.

 

The State Police here in the New England area will pull you over if they suspect you are overweight. The local police, not so much.

 

Yea you’re definitely a troller and can’t read, what I was trying to say is before my 3 years of towing I never towed and I can say my experience from those 3 years I know that you’re overloaded. You don’t have enough payload, check your purse for the manual

 

Biggest on the market... Open Range has 42" deep slides. The kitchen slides out also with an island in the middle. Feels nice and wide open.

 

Hope it doesn't end up looking like the slide in the 2012 Shadow Cruiser I looked at where the slide roller had cracked the floor.

 

Exactly. GVWR is the manufacturer's warranty and liability limit.

 

The OP is well under the tow rating.

 

Think you'll have to fill the cab instead to get the weight off the springs.

 

To tie this back into this thread topic: There’s a lot of space between this fool in Nevada towing multiple tons over what his truck is rated for with no trailer brakes and no CDL, and the OP towing a load that realistically puts him 800-1000 lb over payload.

Given new info about the @FedExTrucker ’s rig, I would definitely never pull that trailer with a crewmax Tundra.

Lastly, I’m not saying investigative teams won’t weigh your private recreational vehicle rig. I’m just still looking for an example. This story is not the “proof” we’ve all been asking for.[/QUOTE]

1000lbs 'over' on payload is almost double for the Tundra!!!! So, if you double the payload/tow capacity of the SD from 20k to 40k or double the Tundras, either way is irresponsible and could be equally tragic.

No disrespect intended here... But, I struggle w/the whole 'show me proof that I can't and that someone of authority will call me on it', or it mitigates the application of common sense in the scenario on anyone's behalf.

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I'd bet a paycheck that no state has, within its statutes or vehicle codes, anything that specifically says you MUST run the recommended air pressure in your tires as depicted on your vehicle's door jamb placard (the same one that talks about payload, GVR, etc...)

I'd also bet a paycheck that no one of authority is running around checking the air pressure of the tires on your Tundra, even when they appear to be under inflated.

I'd bet the same holds true even when a tire blow out is likely the cause of a severe accident; my guess is that no one is running around checking the air pressure on the rest of your tires.

We all know that running a severely under inflated tire will cause said tire to heat up excessively, and it will significantly increase the likelihood of that tire having a blow out.

So, with all that being said, just because there is no PROOF that someone will actually investigate your air pressure and there is no specific statute prohibiting you from under inflating your tires, doesn't common sense and being a reasonable prudent human being override the lack of legislation and potential subsequent intervention from anyone of authority?

 

1000lbs 'over' on payload is almost double for the Tundra!!!! So, if you double the payload/tow capacity of the SD from 20k to 40k or double the Tundras, either way is irresponsible and could be equally tragic.

No disrespect intended here... But, I struggle w/the whole 'show me proof that I can't and that someone of authority will call me on it', or it mitigates the application of common sense in the scenario on anyone's behalf.

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I'd bet a paycheck that no state has, within its statutes or vehicle codes, anything that specifically says you MUST run the recommended air pressure in your tires as depicted on your vehicle's door jamb placard (the same one that talks about payload, GVR, etc...)

I'd also bet a paycheck that no one of authority is running around checking the air pressure of the tires on your Tundra, even when they appear to be under inflated.

I'd bet the same holds true even when a tire blow out is likely the cause of a severe accident; my guess is that no one is running around checking the air pressure on the rest of your tires.

We all know that running a severely under inflated tire will cause said tire to heat up excessively, and it will significantly increase the likelihood of that tire having a blow out.

So, with all that being said, just because there is no PROOF that someone will actually investigate your air pressure and there is no specific statute prohibiting you from under inflating your tires, doesn't common sense and being a reasonable prudent human being override the lack of legislation and potential subsequent intervention from anyone of authority?[/QUOTE]

 

1000lbs 'over' on payload is almost double for the Tundra!!!! So, if you double the payload/tow capacity of the SD from 20k to 40k or double the Tundras, either way is irresponsible and could be equally tragic.

No disrespect intended here... But, I struggle w/the whole 'show me proof that I can't and that someone of authority will call me on it', or it mitigates the application of common sense in the scenario on anyone's behalf.

EX>>>

I'd bet a paycheck that no state has, within its statutes or vehicle codes, anything that specifically says you MUST run the recommended air pressure in your tires as depicted on your vehicle's door jamb placard (the same one that talks about payload, GVR, etc...)

I'd also bet a paycheck that no one of authority is running around checking the air pressure of the tires on your Tundra, even when they appear to be under inflated.

I'd bet the same holds true even when a tire blow out is likely the cause of a severe accident; my guess is that no one is running around checking the air pressure on the rest of your tires.

We all know that running a severely under inflated tire will cause said tire to heat up excessively, and it will significantly increase the likelihood of that tire having a blow out.

So, with all that being said, just because there is no PROOF that someone will actually investigate your air pressure and there is no specific statute prohibiting you from under inflating your tires, doesn't common sense and being a reasonable prudent human being override the lack of legislation and potential subsequent intervention from anyone of authority?[/QUOTE]
My new 10 ply tires have an 80 psi max... When towing I'll probably run between 65 and 70. Now I WAS towing it with the stock tires at about 35 psi... And that did make me nervous but we only made 2 trips. These new tires make me feel a whole lot better!

 

Proof? Like starting a thread on a public forum to brag you can tow/haul more with a Tundra than it is rated for? Hahaha. Be stupid for me to do, but nobody knows who I work for, and don’t have a CDL. Play stupid games win stupid prizes is one thing, but you raised the bar.

 

You completely missed his point.

 

Six pages, I keep going back to the statement

“By that I mean I usually have the cruise set at 67 and it goes right up without losing even 1 MPH. Now she drops a few gears and runs up to about 3500 RPM but has no trouble pulling it at all.”

And every time I read it I get a nice little laugh!!!! WOW!

 

I know, right? I know what mine does on cruise when empty, and it ain’t that. My foot and I do better, and that’s how I tow. I’ve also spent enough time on a ranch to know what bullsh1t is.

 

Maybe he forgot he un-hitched his trailer that day?

 

Bonus I'll sound like Alvin the Chipmunk as I'm singing along to Van Morrison's Brown Eyed Girl as I drive down the road. The wife will love it.

 

I totally agree that we should all exercise common sense and use reasonable prudence. I’m playing devil’s advocate a bit, to be honest.

I just think the idea that if you get into a wreck with a truck and trailer, they’re going to drag your wreck to the scales, find that you’re over payload, and deny your insurance or send you to jail is COMPLETELY FALSE. It is a particularly strong form of internet lore, and I find it to be extremely rich coming from people who readily admit that they drive in excess of the posted speed limit (which is an actual legal standard). And the idea that your truck being 1000lb over payload is going to wind up like the moron in Nevada hauling 18-19 tons behind him in an F350 with no trailer brakes is laughable, sorry.

Yes, the OP’s rig is more than a bit over payload.
• So were the Tundras that ran a million miles worth of oilfield hot shot hauling. Toyota readily shared this info with the world with no caveats or disclaimers.
• So was the Tundra given to the ranch and run for 100k miles worth of farm duty, including pulling extremely heavy loads. Toyota made a series of ads out of it.
• So are both flatbed truck camper overlander Tundras on YouTube. (Look up Bound For Nowhere—theirs is 9000lb empty. That’s 1800-2100 lb over GVWR, empty).

Lots of people make their livings bolting WAY too much shit to Tacomas, Jeeps, Tundras, etc that put them at or over GVWR before anyone steps into the vehicle or loads so much as a water bottle into it. If it were actually dangerous, it would be actually illegal to be above the “should not exceed” numbers on your door jamb. If it were actually illegal, then this would be a heavily regulated industry with licenses and inspections and DOT numbers just like commercial haulers. Again, OF COURSE we should all exercise prudence and be as safe as possible at all times.

This also means you should never speed. Ever again. It is a limit set by engineers for each state based on tons of data from population density to weather to geography to traffic accident data to density of entry/exit points to the roadway etc etc etc. How dare you drive 5 mph over on the highway! My kids are in my truck with me! Let me know where you live so I can stay off your roads you selfish Neanderthal. (Not speaking to you directly, @tripleconpanna…this is just how the internet payload police sound to me).

 

Lol! Like this? Believe originally hit a rock that should of been fine, to whatever. But idk.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CeT_YtuJUz6/?igshid=NDBlY2NjN2I=

 

His words: “as I crest[ed] a small hill the road was washed out, the truck dropped into the washout and then struck the bank of the washout as it was coming out. No time to avoid, just managed the impact and drove out of the rolling force.”

The two flatbed Tundra overlander accounts I was referring to both boxed in their frames. Like you did. Looks like this guy did not.

 

I do the devil's advocate bit myself, but it's hard in this case. You do raise some good points, so let me raise a couple counter points.

1. If this set up were in an accident there would be no need to weigh it to see that it is over the ratings. It wouldn't have to be hauled anywhere. Based solely off the Tundra door sticker and the trailer sticker it's over at a minimum it's payload, and possibly even the combined weight rating.
2. Yes, the Nevada guy had more weight, and was a more extreme case of going beyond the tow rating. Just because somebody does something worse doesn't make this any more acceptable. Try looking at the payload on the OP's set up like this: He's not X number of pounds over payload. He's X percentage over payload. I think most people aren't going to panic if you're 10,20, or even 30% over payload, but with a likely payload of 1200ish lbs and a dry pin weight of 1510 lbs it's already in the upper end of that before anything else in the truck or trailer. Add the hitch, driver, a passenger, water and propane for the trailer... It's not a stretch to think that it's operating at 50% beyond payload or more.
3. Running an overloaded truck around your ranch is a lot different than running it down the interstate.
4. Those flatbed overlanders are HEAVILY modified. Boxed frames for a start. There is also a huge difference in being over payload on your truck and being over payload on your truck while also towing a 30+ foot trailer that puts you at or beyond the truck's tow rating.

Look at speed to illustrate the proportional perspective. 10 miles per hour isn't particularly fast, right? So we could try to make the argument that being 10 MPH over the speed limit isn't that bad. Doesn't sound extreme, and we've all been passed by people out on the interstate going 10 over. Now, let's add some context to the percentage/proportional perspective. Take that same 10MPH over and put it in a school zone with a 20MPH limit. Now it's not just 10 over, it's 50% over. Apply the 10 over to a parking lot or narrow residential street with a 5 or 10 MPH limit and all of a sudden your doing double or better. Point is, 1000 lbs over payload in an new HD truck isn't the same level of bad idea as 1000 lbs over payload in a 2007 half ton, and that's exactly what a Tundra is.

 

I think this should be close enough to get me some $. California requires tire service providers, tire sellers to fill tires at or above the manufacturer tire pressure on the door jam.

"The California Office of Administrative Law (OAL) has officially approved the “Regulation to Reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Vehicles Operating with Under Inflated Tires (Section 95550 in Title 17 of the California Code of Regulations)."


Edit: PM me and I'll give you my mailing address where you can send me that paycheck.

 

1. I started out defending the OP, but I hope it's clear that I stopped once the actual numbers of his trailer came out. I am, however a couple hundred pounds over GWR when we camp, and I have put 1500 lbs of rock and concrete in my bed before. That's pushing my rear axle limit. Whenever we have this conversation, it's always hypotheticals, unless you count the guy running 18-19 tons behind his F350 with no trailer brakes, which in no way represents the worst towing offender on this site. I am playing the devil's advocate on this because I can't stand holier-than-thou internet shaming from strangers who readily admit they endanger everyone on the road around them driving in excess of the posted speed limit (in a lifted truck, no less), as if it's not the exact same thing.

2. Nevada guy isn't representative of anything anyone is doing here. No one here is hauling over 26k without a CDL or pulling a trailer several tons in excess of what their truck's GCWR is. And again, I have stopped defending the OP. He's 2k over GCWR. I would never do that. He gets away with it, because as a recreational vehicle, he is not required to register his rig, stop at weigh stations, print DOT numbers on his door, ect.

3. Ranch trucks do not operate solely on private land. I come from a long line of midwestern ranchers, and every one of my family's trucks transports livestock, feed, tools, and equipment whether it's to other parts of the farm, someone' else's farm, a slaughterhouse the next county over, or a livestock sale or competition a few hours away. They do more in F150s than that ranch did with the Tundra. And they go through them faster than that ranch did as well. My point is, there is no reason to think that Tundra stayed off of public roadways.

4. Yep, modified is right. Still on the stock semi-floating rear axle, though. I don't see the problem being over payload if you are still within the stated towing (and therefore stopping) limits in the manual. For example, an 8k load that puts a truck 500 lb over payload when that truck is rated to pull 9800 is not a problem in my eyes, especially if that truck is a 2nd gen Tundra that weighs 6000 lb. Of course, you need a weight distributing hitch, LT tires, and beefier rear suspension. If Toyota says your truck can pull 9800 lb, they're implicitly saying it can stop 9800 lb, too. Just follow the manual. Stay under 65mph, and use S4 at the very least when going downhill. I'd stay in S4 the whole time to prevent heat buildup in the torque converter.

 

Wow. Just wow.