Tundras live: A Bunch of Idiots And A Bunch of BS- Resume discussion group

We are re-recreating manned missions to the moon as of now. Artemis missions utilizing the Orion long range space craft that can handle deep space return velocities. Artemis II 10 day flight around the moon will happen soon. Precursor to a permanent moon base for Artemis missions to Mars and as a research station. This is happening. Musk is doing just fine but it does not remotely compare to the up coming Artemis deep space missions. Keep in mind, Musk and the other players in the short-range mission realm is to be profitable allowing NASA to take on the bigger projects which is beyond everyone else's budgets tenfold. You need re-usable liquid fueled platforms to be profitable. The SLS/Orion is not meant to be profitable lol. EXPLORATION TO DEEP SPACE IS NOT PROFITABLE. I enjoyed using caps. Ha! It's a gigantic solid fuel rocket made for deep space missions with quite large payloads to support those long-term missions. Took less than 10 years from scratch to put men on the moon after Kennedy said DO IT. I like Musk's vision and glad he moves on those. He has visions about going to Mars and colonizing it. Kuul. Meanwhile NASA has a huge head start on this. Totally different ball game.

 

So not true. Moon is not the GOAL. See post 226070

 

Does anyone actually research what NASA is doing in partnership with many of our clients?

 

As they ought to, having been in operation for so long using the resources of the largest human organization in history (aka the US federal govt).

But if NASA is as hostile to good old fashioned meritocracy as most govt agencies (and corporations for that matter) seem to be these days (I’m not sure where this line is drawn or if there is even a line anymore), that head start will continue to rapidly evaporate.

 

NASA has undergone many changes to get leaner. Still costly programs and overbudget of course. Artemis II is on track to launch next fall on its Moon mission. I don't see anything indicating a rapid diminishment at all. NASA is back on track it seems with a very focused mission.

 

Pretty much it! Elon could run NASA more efficiently.

 

Atlas 5 was never reusable as far as I'm aware, and I'm pretty sure the Centaur has no reusability currently. I don't know of any rockets that have shown the ability for reuse besides Falcon 9 and I think Rocket Lab (Proton?), and now arguably Super Heavy booster. SLS is impressive but uses old technology and parts directly from the shuttle, and Starship/Super Heavy is considerably larger.

I feel like this comment has a lot of irony. "Musk is doing fine but not remotely compare to Artemis deep space missions"--well considering Artemis can't actually go to the lunar surface without a SpaceX spacecraft and launch platform, I'd say they're pretty tightly connected to Artemis doing much of anything.

"You need re-usable liquid fueled platforms to be profitable" and then "It's a gigantic solid fuel rocket made for deep space", except SLS has a liquid fueled core.... But those liquid fueled engines ARE meant to be reusable because they came from the Space Shuttle! Except that SLS takes all that effort to be reusable and just throws the engines out after one flight unlike the shuttle...

You are on the money, SLS is not meant to be profitable. That can certainly be seen by that program taking decades and billions of dollars, and still costs I think $4+ BILLON per launch. SpaceX I think has spent a bit over that to develop the Starship/Super Heavy to the point it's at which is significantly larger than SLS and reusable--and a rocket being reusable and landing, something NASA has never done. NASA feats are impressive no doubt, but for some reason you're overlooking the absolutely incredible pace and efficiency and hardware SpaceX is pumping out and your defense is look at the worst program NASA has ever done? NASA should cut sunk costs on SLS, and put money into supporting Starship/Super Heavy and New Glenn and making probes and other things. SLS/Artemis has always been flawed, and that's even more evident now that SpaceX is sprinting so far with their new launch platform.

Yesterday was spectacular and a huge milestone for space flight, I don't think it can be understated the amount of potential catching that booster has.

 

The Atlas program has been around for 60 years and well aware of its history. I stand corrected that the Atlas 5 is not fully reusable, but does launch reusable spacecraft like the Starliner and the AF X-37B. True. Some boosters use liquid fuel and solid fuel depending on stage. There are many opinions concerning the SLS. Reusing viable rocket motors does save money. NASA's budget is not without limits. Nevertheless, Artemis II is scheduled to launch next fall. Who else has a similar mission next fall? I'm well aware of what SpaceX is accomplishing, along with ULA, Rocket Lab among others. LASP here in Boulder too. All mentioned are calibration clients of ours that are supported by our Denver Lab where I work and our other labs. Apple to oranges. Scope of mission and completing the mission is key no matter whose mission it is. Musk is doing great things but actually getting a spacecraft to Mars to establish a colony? Not easy. Let's see how everything plays out.

 

He may weaponize Starlink and name it the Defensive Orbiting National Guardians

…or DONGs



Reminder that the four Tesla cars are named
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X
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Lmfao.

 

The way things are going with SpaceX he might actually take over NASA. There's so much collaboration going on already. Musk is willing to take risks knowing that risks lead to success in the long run.

 

Your PSA for the day:
https://x.com/i/status/1845849546213171641
Also, for more actual health advice, check out Tucker Carlson's interview with Calley and Casey Means.

 

Now is getting a tad better with NASA. I'm all in for Musk. He =success. NASA gets dumped on a lot. It's only the last couple decades that outside entities started to compete in NASA's realm. Competition breeds success. Is this bleeding over to NASA. You'd think. NASA can't change quickly by nature of it being a government red tape monster. Nonetheless, NASA is once again getting somewhere. Shutting the aging shuttle down with zero plans on moving forward was folly. Paying Russia to get our people to ISS was embarrassing. At least that allowed other folks to intervene which resulted to the successes we are seeing today. Doesn't mean NASA can't come around and get our folks safely to Mars and back.

 

I've been sending that to everyone I know over 50 who buys and eats only prepackaged food and is on multiple prescriptions (basically everyone in my parents' generation).
Follow it with their Rogan appearance. Bombshell stuff

You can thank the Cash For Clunkers program for that. Inflation has made it worse, of course.

 

NASA is a government entity. Too much towing the line and ass kissing for Musk to take the job, IMO. When your boss/bosses can be voted in and out and you might have somebody who wants you muzzled or fired for asking questions... I just don't see him falling into that trap.

 

NASA only exists because government failures don't bankrupt them. Waste doesn't bankrupt them. They just reach deeper into all of our pockets.

Musk has done what he's done without decades of waste that we all paid for. He doesn't have the luxury of not caring what it costs by just rolling projects over and over and ballooning the budgets the way NASA has. He innovated the reusable boosters out of necessity because NASA didn't bother. Why would they? We pay for it, so they don't care if they waste billions.

 

C'mon, man... NASA is constantly finding ways to cut costs. O-rings, for instance...

 

I suppose incineration of staff is a way to remove salaries and benefits, but they used entire shuttles to do it. Does bring new meaning to "you're fired" I guess.

 

Crack

agrree but towing the line here with the capital p word. Staying out of this convo.

 

And for anyone that wants a recap of the SpaceX awesomeness, this is a great video with a recap of the past few flights and some quick analysis of yesterday's flight. Again, can't state enough how insanely cool and impressive this is. I'm not a SpaceX fanboi, but this is the pinnacle of rocket science currently and cool to see it advancing in real time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysx4t7ICO58

 

do I go to hell if I laugh at that?

 

I choose my words carefully, and I won't push it. I like it here.

 

ditto.

I got about a 1250 word essay ready.

This area - Clear Lake, Webster, Friendswood, League City is supported by NASA.

ratio = 1000 lame-ass administrators to every smart space dude. and the admins make more $.

 

But do the salaries outweigh the loss of materials and development/investment in them?

 

Meanwhile Nasa's successful Mars rovers get overlooked while gathering priceless data for future human missions. Operating for years beyond expected life spans. There is a lot that NASA has contributed to this planet and humanity that gets totally ignored and not understood. Things going on now for example. I'm not a fan boi of NASA or any of our clients I've mentioned. Certainly won't make fun of astronauts dying at NASA's expense. The O ring failed because an idiot said GO against all warnings, even though the temperature was too cold to launch that day. The Columbia was a tragedy. The insulating foam failure after so many successful missions.

Ten Ways NASA Technology Already Keeps Earth Clean and Healthy | T2 Portal

Check out NASA Tech Brief's. Ten's of thousands of nifty things that came to be with NASA funding that is used by us in our everyday lives.

 

clean air?
green initiatives?

 

Take time to read the above and learn. NASA isn't just about launching rockets.

 

agreed.
it's about monumental waste.