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Tundra headlights are crap

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by Stumpjumper, Aug 31, 2017.

  1. Aug 31, 2017 at 4:59 PM
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    2nd gen and no problems at all. I changed the adjustment when I leveled the truck and all is well, stock 100%.
     
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  2. Aug 31, 2017 at 5:03 PM
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    Are they that bad? Never been in a 3rd gen at night.
     
  3. Aug 31, 2017 at 5:11 PM
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    They're shit lol. Prob less output then an old halogen 3D flashlight
     
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  4. Aug 31, 2017 at 5:14 PM
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    Oh damn. Wonder why Toyota changed such a good headlight setup? The HID bulbs are stupid expensive unless you buy through Home Depot (that is what I did with my Lexus). My current tow rig has HIDs and they are bright. I get flashed a lot if the truck is leveled out due to load.
    My Tacoma is pretty good as well. (14')
     
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  5. Aug 31, 2017 at 5:16 PM
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    They changed the headlight design so there wasn't space for two bulbs. H4 combine low and high beam into one bulb.

    And that flashing is exactly why I don't recommend hids in reflector bowl housings
     
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  6. Aug 31, 2017 at 5:23 PM
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    Well that sucks. Lexus wanted 180-240 for one of my bulbs. I laughed my ass off and purchased the same bulb for 50.00 through Home Depot online.
     
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  7. Aug 31, 2017 at 6:06 PM
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    My second gen (2007)'s headlights are decent. I would not say they are great but they are bad either. Must be a a different type of headlight for the third gen.
     
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  8. Aug 31, 2017 at 6:31 PM
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    I've got these too. Been great for well over 6 months now.
    IMO this the only option for LEDs in a stock housing. It's $200+ for 2 bulbs and they put light on the road and not in incoming traffic's faces. A 100% upgrade from the Halos. And match the morimoto XBs very well.
     
  9. Aug 31, 2017 at 6:39 PM
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    I'm with you on your points...

    Just to clarify though, correct me if I'm wrong @ColoradoTJ , but just like in your IS, the HID's in your tow rig (GMC) are OEM.

    Only reason for the blinding is because the rear is squatting, raising your cutoff.
     
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  10. Aug 31, 2017 at 7:22 PM
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    Yes, they are OEM, and I agree, it raises the cutoff. I have only had the truck hard on the overloads a few times, and that is the only time it happens. Under normal operation or 3000#'s or less in the bed/pin weight.

    Now the Lexus I could lower a bit on the drivers side...I just forget to do it and then get reminded at night...:D
     
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  11. Sep 1, 2017 at 5:32 AM
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    Soooooooo..... the reflector bowl isn't designed to reflect bright light, just the dark light from a halogen?

    Am I reading that right?
     
  12. Sep 1, 2017 at 5:42 AM
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    In essence. Hid and led light scatters differently (causing glare) from halogen filaments. The reflectors in the third gens are designed to scatter halogen light. Certain reflectors are designed to work with hids and don't cause glare like early 2000s Lexus is300s..

    It really depends if the cars reflector bowls were made for HIDs or not. If they weren't, don't run them. Retrofit or stick to halogens.
     
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  13. Sep 1, 2017 at 6:37 AM
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    There are some options you may want to try first. There are brighter-than-stock halogen bulbs you could purchase such as Philips Extreme Power.

    Philips LED bulbs seemed to work very well with 3rd gen Tundras (there was a detailed review on them by a 3rd gen Tundra owner at TT (the site seems to be down right now). He seemed to like his LED bulb.). These are just replacement LED bulbs.
     
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    I used the TT review and install as a guide when (and the reason why) I bought mine. Just search Phillips ultinon.
     
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    headlights are worse than any vehicle i've ever owned. One of the first things I did was an HID Retrofit
     
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    Now is is common for projectors to be used with HID'snfrom the factory, however there are also projectors made for halogen bulbs. Same thing happens if you put an HID bulb in a halogen projector. It's not designed for that type of light. Same goes for LED reflectors and projectors. To do it right, the reflector or projector should be designed for that type of bulb.
     
  17. Sep 1, 2017 at 5:56 PM
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    IMG_1520.jpg Just use HID bulb system. I have them and there bright as balls!

    I used them in my 08 Tundra. I wouldn't spend money on after markets since I have heard of recent problems with them shaking. I'd wait until OEM 2018's are available.

    I went with Morimoto 3 Five Elite Series at 5000K which carries a 5 year warranty. $150.00

    I bought them through The Retrofit Source out of Atlanta GA.

    I have attached a pic showing light pattern from stock housing.

    Good luck!
     
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    Bliz.

    You dont know what your talking about. No concrete evidence that the housing won't except hid bulbs.
    I looked into it and everybody has there opinion which reflect the disclaimer that they put at the bottom of there article saying they are not an expert nor lawyer.

    I confirmed through my local municipality and there running hid in the police vehicles and city trucks. I also confirmed with the Retrofit Source and Toyota.

    HID bulbs will work fine in stock housings and Not Illegal in my state anyway. As long as they are aimed at the road!

    Do your homework
     
  20. Sep 1, 2017 at 6:28 PM
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    HID bulbs do not belong in stock tundra housings. Stock Tundras have reflector housings for halogen bulbs. HID bulbs belong in a projector housing.
    So I think you need to do your homework.
     
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    Nowayout,

    Read my response. I did do my homework.

    Prove to me in writing that hid bulbs can not be used in stock housings.

    Than we wouldn't be able to purchase the hid systems at all. People would be crashing into each other?

    Seriously? My state has nothing in writing stating hid bulbs can not be used in existing vehicle housings.

    Again I say prove it!
     
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    Not saying you "cant" or that you are breaking a law but if you're the least bit considerate of other drivers you wouldn't. Let me say it again, HID bulbs are not meant meant to be used in the stock halogen housings.

    Are you one of those people that a need a law to tell you what is right and wrong? Do the right thing by your fellow drivers and take the HID bulbs out of your stock housings. Or better yet have someone drive your truck towards you while you are in another vehicle so you can see why.
     
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    He's right. I had them in my old tundra without a projector. You blind people and will be flashed. A local LEO flashed me who was parked.

    Can you do this? Sure. Does it suck for other drivers? Yes.
     
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    IM A SOVEREIGN CITIZEN. AM I BEING DETAINED?

    Yes, you can physically put in HID bulbs into stock 3rd gen housings and yes, they will run and light up the road more than halogens. In addition to having more light, said light will be burning holes in other driver's retinas. Your local PD may not care and do the same, does that make it right and proper? No.

    I appreciate that you researched around locally, but I think you would find the overwhelming majority of people with any lighting knowledge agreeing with me.

    Your image of your output shows exactly why LED and HID drop-ins dont belong in reflector housings. The entire red box of scattered light is directed up and away from the road into oncoming drivers' view, and mirrors of cars in front of you.

    The second image is what HID output should look like: below a negative slope from your headlight height.

    light.jpg
    projector low.jpg
     
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    I'm sorry to say that my HID kit doesn't do anymore blinding then most of the projector headlights on most trucks these days. Hell I get blinded by minivans and crossovers with projectors.
     
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    Thats like saying: homeless people shit on the sidewalk, i will too.
     
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    I can't speak for HID bulbs but here are some pics using the Phillips ultinon led in a 3rd gen reflector. The "scatter" is truly minimal and I've never been "flashed" by oncoming traffic.

    This is the stock halos for comparison. Lo beams.
    IMG_5111.jpg

    Here are the Philips LEDs at close to the same spot in my driveway. Much brighter and no discernible scatter. Lo beams.
    IMG_5631.jpg

    Driving on a road in the dark. Philips LEDs: (edit) morimoto XB fogs may be on in this photo. My bad.
    IMG_5633.jpg

    Now here's a pic that would lend credibility to the "LEDs blind on coming drivers because of scatter" if............ there was any light reflection into the vehicle's rear view mirror. And well there isn't. This is a sedan (Ford Focus) not another truck. I'm at a reasonable distance from the car not on the bumper. My motors are leveled at "0" which is their highest setting. If there was blinding light "scattered" from this set up, you could at least visualize the mirror IMG_5634.jpg

    Now I'm not sure how other LEDs or HIDs would work in my truck, but this is how these particular LEDs work. They're great.
     
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