Tundra engine recall - interesting news

damn it, I should have patented the "not Ryan" thing I made up, $3.50 per use

 

Not that I disagree but that is an individual consumer complaint. And though it mentions dealer said it was due to debris, it’s not verified by Toyota it was. I also doubt a dealer could find engine debris after a bearing failed. Debris, yes. Debris from manufacturing I doubt.
I’m asking if Toyota has admitted such in any of their 20 related documents-
https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2023/TOYOTA/TUNDRA/PU%252FCC/4WD#recalls

Or admitted anywhere. I’m wondering where that fb information originated.

 

The NYC thing got me thinking about how the forum should charge congestion pricing on threads that go over 1000 post. $1 a post after that. Of course, then they would retire and there wouldn't be a forum.

 

Do you have idea what the ad revenue is on this site? They’re doing just fine.

 

In the absence of facts you get theories?
Two things that are facts- Sales are up. Toyota is recalling 104,000 trucks. Mountains of speculation, extrapolation, condemnation and imagination after that.

 

Oohh… any interesting news you can share on the “Tundra turbojet” recall? Looking to see if I can finally derail this thread.

 

The pilot is my neighbor.

 

@Breathing Borla

I'm not going back to find the original post. Yeah I'm lazy. I got some news on the warranty from Toyota:

"Please see the information below related to the warranties for vehicles in the V35 engine recall for both the Toyota Tunda and Lexus LX.

• There’s no change to the Powertrain Warranty because of the recall. It remains at 5 years, 60K miles for Tundra, and 6 years, 70K miles for LX.
• The recall repair also comes with a standard service repair warranty of 12 months, unlimited miles.
• These two warranties work together, and the customer is covered by whichever is longer."

- Toyota Communications Manager Amanda Roark, APR

She is the one listed under the contacts for the recall on the corporate website.

 

thanks Tim for getting that.

kinda what I expected at this point, we'll see if that changes over time.

 

I guess they dont care about tracking and supporting a safety recall for next 10-15 years as many owners just use the recall as a free engine card when the first one blows. That is what I will do.

I just saw a news story last week about some carmakers locally sending people door to door to get some decade old airbag replacements off their books.

Their money.

 

Thanks for this.

But, pretty scummy on Toyota's part, imo. At least initially - as stated by others we will see if it changes going forward.
A standard warranty for a replacement/repair on a major component (that has yet to prove it's not a major design flaw) feels a lot like this:

 

Likely the Takata air bag recall. The Feds want to close down that recall and be done with it. I don't blame them.

The one I think will be interesting is the Cummins recall for the software fix. They have 3 years to get 85% of those trucks reflashed and owners don't want to do it since it will mean the trucks will drink more DEF. If Cummins doesn't meet that goal in 3 years, they pay an additional fine.

https://autos.yahoo.com/cummins-bas..._SXRt1cODuYsYg7Yo9Xss_iiwYuiLAV6LppFloHdb-CZ9

 

Because it's not.

 

Thankfully, the burden of proof doesn't lie with me.

 

Why do people insist in the theory that it’s a design flaw? I can understand the hesitation to believe the current reason of bad cleaning, especially since it appears the correction was not made shortly after the logic was put out for cause of engine failures. Nothing at this point IMHO, leads to me to believe it is a design flaw. This engine has been used for several years prior to adding TT’s without the problem at hand. Some want to point to a rocker arm cause when the same parts are being used on several other motors, from what I have seen.

It’s truly speculation, and much by those who haven’t even a dog in the fight to say. Maybe they are a little butt hurting as they want all the amazing upgrades that Toyota did to the gen3, but are upset that this issue plagues the line at the moment. Many of us have faith in Toyota to make things right, and as the old saying goes… you can’t please all the people all the time. This is clearly evident here.

I will wait my time out as needed. I will be in the third group as it seems by my manufacture date, and I may wait a little longer to ensure no other changes are made to the correction program.

In the meantime, I have a nice supply of popcorn at hand. lol


Mike

 

Nobody is insisting anything, we are speculating because:
1. Failures have continued after the "we fixed the cleaning issue" was identified and broadcasted.
2. It appears you've partially answered your question in the part of your quote that I bolded, underlined, and italicized.

I am rooting for you guys. I am rooting for Toyota. I want the best possible outcome. I would like Toyota to not be the cracked seat panel company and return to being the Toyota we all appreciate. That's all. Enjoy your popcorn.

 

They used this engine previously without forced induction? In what?

 

From the rotten frame company to the cracked seat panel company. Hilarious.

 

My bad. It had TT’s beginning with the 2017 Lexus LS500. 5 years prior to the current Tundra plague.

Mike

 

All good. Easy to have some confusion being that Toyota made another 3.4L V6 - the 5VZ.

That engine was wayyy oversquare, big pistons with a short stroke. It lasted forever and had an iron block. Peak torque - 220.

 

Those engines had similar failures. Hence the design flaw theory, considering they still have failures almost a decade later

 

I remain in the glass half-full camp, and will gladly take a new engine at 40-50K miles, if necessary. Currently my truck is not included in the recall. 6/23 build.

That said, I'm not going to lie. This issue will be on my mind when I load the wife and dogs up to drive from Colorado to Florida, and back, in a few months. With my luck the sucker will blow when I'm deep in the bowels of Atlanta Georgia.

 

the block that Toyota was using 11400-F4010 began production in Nov 2021, wasn't used (as that part#) in any Lexus, or Toyota's until then

 

I’m disappointed there continues to be no restitution for pissed off gen2 owners.

On line 2, that Cummins deal is a whopper. Stock has halved. Net income down 50% and revenues off 20%. All while carrying $30b in debt. Now they might have to reserve for potential penalties? I can hear them tightening the screws on warranty service from here.

 

That’s right. Known as the Type ‘21.



type ‘17 engines had similar bearing failures in the Lexus although seemingly very few in comparison to the Tundras.

 

And, it's original part# 11400-70220 C/S to 11400-70221, makes you wonder...

 

It's still the same family of engine, just an evolution of the V35. And both iterations have had bottom end failure problems.

 

MAYBE because it was on the 'lexus side', us Toyota guys didn't know about our 1st cousins problems.

 

Of which is in my 95.5 Tacoma. March 95 build backed by a 5 speed in an Xcab that hauled my wife, my 2 boys, 2 Labrador dogs and myself from NY to GA in 2004 with a 2003 Jetta on a tow dolly behind us.

Sorry to hijack with a little story.

I still stand that design flaw is not an issue. Possibly the maintenance schedule is the flaw. Anyone thinking a TT motor is ok for 10K miles intervals should be drug tested. Quite possible that some of these problems are actually from ignorance of oiling reality.

Mike