Tundra engine recall - interesting news

No one must have told the Canadian market about the loss of value on used 3rd gen. New trucks are worth more than they used to be also.

I came from a 2012 sr5 trd off road to the same trim 2022. Almost 100k trouble free km on my truck now and I love it. Its much better than the 2012. I’m doing Blackstone oil analysis every oil change to see everyrhing is running good and push this recall fix as far out as possible. Free engine you say? Hell yeah!!

 

I am very well aware of the IMS bearing issue as a past 997.1 owner. But the fact is that IMS issue was never a recall, nor was the GT3 engine issue. What is Toyota doing for hybrid owners? Only reason they have to do this is because of the recall. Porsche did not have to do anything for the GT3 as there was no recall. They stepped up to preserve their reputation.

I have recently dealt with Toyota corporate, and it was truly appalling. Stepping up….

 

Fair enough, it is your money to spend as you wish. If indeed you are worried about a bearing failure, then you do have the option of getting an extended warranty, just like everyone else. Or is it correct to assume that you want Toyota to provide you with an extended warranty for free simply because you are worried about it?

Even if the motor is recalled beyond the regular warranty, it would be covered under the terms of the recall. That was good enough for me. I spent my 75k on a 24 knowing about the recall, so I did put my money in accordance with what I have posted above.

 

These engines do have the engine OIL PAN on them in the crate, not sure where that info came from, it has motor oil as well. I agree on the drive belt, and even the A/C filter.

 

To be fair, it’s Toyota that’s worried about the defective motor to the degree they’re spending in excess of a billion dollars to replace 110K long blocks. IMO, Toyota should warranty the “non-defective” replacement motor for 5/60. If it turns out to be true that Toyota is only offering a 12/12 warranty on the new long block for those outside the 5/60, IMO that’s a total screw job anyway you slice it for early 3rd gen adopters. A 12/12 warranty is that same as you’d get for a remanned alternator or starter from Toyota…. not confidence inspiring. Hell, Hyundai is doing better by their customers with lifetime engine replacements on their “bad batch.”

I generally keep my trucks for awhile, and I’ve never “worn” a motor out. A decent motor ought to last a long time.

 

We do not know the answer at this time, do we?

 

People who have had the swap are reporting 12 month / 12k mile warranty on the new engine assuming that extends beyond the original 5/60.

 

Or may be this?

https://www.tundras.com/threads/eng...-year-extension-warranty.152676/#post-3803891

 

https://youtu.be/OIjzY9wvveQ?si=5L3CthhVLqNP0Nk6
After watching this video I have one question.
What are the odds that the entire process will be completed without a single mistake?
I bet that half of the vehicles affected will have to come back because something wasn't torque correctly, a hose clamp was left loose or a cable harness wasn't properly secured. The worst part is that some of these issues may not show up until months or even years later, leaving the owners stuck with expensive repairs.

 

I think you can say that about anything that is replaced or repaired. Probably everyone here has experienced workmanship issues at one time or another.

 

That’d be great, but should customers have to call and beg for goodwill or should Toyota just extend the warranty 3 years for the hassle for everyone? I’m in the extend it for everyone boat….I know not everyone agrees. The article states:

“He told me to call Toyota and fight for an additional three years on the existing warranty. I did and Toyota agreed."

 

Sure, but the more complex the job, the more likely it is that something will be missed. It's very different from assembling the car on the factory line where every worker performs the same task again and again vs. hundreds of different steps that have to be performed in sequence, each one slightly different from the previous one. Do you think that they will use a torque wrench for every bolt like they do with calibrated power tools in the factory?

 

When I called they confirmed the same to me. I'm outside my initial warranty so the engine will only be warranted 12/12.

 

so in this case , you are getting 6/72K miles of warranted driving I guess.

are you going to ask them for an extended?

 

Not necessarily. If the replacement is done on a truck that is under 4 years old and 48k miles, the warranty would stay 5/60.

If it was done on a truck with 100k miles, you’d get 12 months or to 112k.

 

By that last line's logic only those with trucks in the recall time frame should be commenting here. Everyone else should "just move on." The lively debates and discussions are what make this forum fun.

 

For now, it would appear there is some uncertainty about both the coverage and the process of how to extend it. I, for one, would wait until more clarification is forthcoming as more and more engines are replaced.

I remember the time when only short blocks were being replaced, and I thought that was not sufficient. Then long blocks were approved for all affected trucks. It would seem that Toyota will eventually do the right thing, albeit with some persuasion, given that once the billion dollar cost is already incurred, it would cost them little to extend the warranty while offering the best proof of their confidence in their own engineering.

 

Did you click and read the link, are there any real fine detailed examples?

This is serious statement your putting out and just want to see if you literally saw any evidence of it.

Something like this vehicle ignored 123 and this 234 happened, or just regurgitating incorrect info on google.

I would then try to see if this makes any sense.

I do know of recalls that are required to be done when your reg is due and if it's not done no registration, but again never heard of safety liability is down to owner

 

It only goes for original owners that are not away when their turn comes . For example : if you’re out of country or are the second owner and didn’t receive the notice etc etc .

 

Didn't really mean to come across that way, but if you got no skin in the game then it's just banter to me.

 

As I’ve said before, you guys who took the leap already don’t have skin in the game… you’re on the ride. Those of us considering buying one (or 2 for me) new Tundras have plenty of potential skin out there. By my calculations, I’ll have about $140K worth of skin when I replace my 2017 and 2019…. that’s a lot of money for me.

 

That’s a lot of money for all of us but at this stage your investment is hypothetical. Potential skin isn’t really skin at all is it? Our investment is neither hypothetical nor is our skin potential and the ride we’re on had a price of admission so kindly excuse our ignorance for not allocating more weight to spectators opinions on how we should feel and react.

 

I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything, just sharing my opinion for what it’s worth.

It is true that I am not an apologist for Toyota as a few here are, and I know that can rub thin skin the wrong way. The apologists will rush to defend anything Toyota Motor Corp does including forcing customers in to short block replacements, excluding hybrids due to “motive power”, refusing buybacks, and word of a ridiculous 12/12 warranty on the new long block to name just a few. Those are just indefensible responses IMO.

I’m also not a denialist. Toyota didn’t recall 110K motors and spend over a billion dollars because “the vast majority” of these motors are going to be just fine. The failure rate is unacceptable and when the motor eats a bearing, the truck poses a serious safety risk to those in the Tundra and to others on the road… which is the reason for the NHTSA getting involved.

We are all entitled to spend our money how we see fit, and these discussion forums offer a platform to debate these issues and generally allow all of us to howl at the moon. It’s about the motor in the truck, not the guy behind the wheel after all.

 

We’ll talk about the million mile tundra to hype up the 3rd gen…but only one will get it

 

Every time with the “thin skin”, “apologist” or “denialist” labels when someone actually owning the truck says anything akin to liking their truck or trusting Toyota. When all of this started there were lots of speculation on what the remedy would be and Toyota stepped up despite all these potential customers’s opinions and prophecies of doom.

We are not upset or offended by the opinion of others, which we all agree you guys are entitled to, but are we not entitled to ours without being corrected? Obviously I would love to have a full 5/60 warrantee on the motor replacement but technically I’ve already had that (or would have by the time the motor gets replaced) AND I get a brand new crate engine at the cost of a few days inconvenience. That sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.

You also put “the vast majority” in quotation marks like it’s somehow an inaccurate statement and then claim the failure rate is unacceptable, like you know what the actual rate is. It’s Toyota so we’ve come to expect a near zero failure rate from them but mechanical systems still have a lot of moving parts that can and will eventually fail given a long enough time frame.

Toyota identified an anomaly in their otherwise stellar reliability and is fixing it. It is what it is at this stage. I’m sure they are nursing quite the black eye over this but at least they are doing something and not just sweeping it under the rug.

 

Knowing I have a 3rd gen Tundra is one reason that motivates me to go to work in the morning ..still giddy like a teenager even after 14 months

 

My apologist/denialist comment isn’t about people liking their 3 gen. The comment is directed at guys who defend how Toyota has responded lock-stock/barrel to this mess.

IMO a 12/12 warranty on a $20,000 plus component is shit. A dealer tech is pulling the entire factory assembled engine bay apart because Toyota put a defective motor in the thing. If Toyota approves a buyback and new replacement Tundra, would you defend Toyota shortening the warranty on the new replacement truck to 12/12 since the person already used up XX amount of their previous warranty? That logic doesn’t make any sense to me.

As for the failure rate, I don’t believe Toyota is spending over a billion dollars to replace 110K motors to address a failure rate that’s normal industry wide.

I do agree that Toyota is an least addressing the issue, but what’s lacking in their response has kept (and continues keep) me on the sidelines for the moment.

 

A buyback is a different animal altogether tho. You would still be applying money paid back to you on buying a new truck, so that resets the clock. I guess we found common ground there because I agree in that situation the 12/12 warrantee doesn’t cut it. Having unpredictable failure potential on a motor isn’t the same as defective either. Toyota is replacing motors because they have no way to identify the ones that are actually defective.

I can’t speak to a failure rate industry wide but from what other members have posted on here it doesn’t sound like they have more confidence in the rest of the industry. No one knows the exact rate on this recall. How do you compare that to other manufacturers that don’t even admit they have issues, nevermind give you failure rates? The potential failure rate is however too high according to Toyota’s standards. I think we can all agree on that?

Don’t stay on the sidelines too long. Come on in, the water’s nice!

 

I stopped by my Toyota dealership in Coeur d’Alene Idaho to check in about the recall again and they have a couple they got in to install. This is not my engine, but I wanted to take a look.